NEWSFLASH -sue grays report!!

[noseall]

Brexit minister Lord Frost has resigned from the UK government over "concerns about the current direction of travel".

There seems to be a number of factors behind him leaving. Several differences in direction Is that down to Carrie too.

I think one Russian diplomat summed up our current overseas contingent in a nutshell..

"There is always room for diplomacy, but frankly, we don't trust British diplomacy. I think in recent years British diplomacy has shown that it is absolutely worthless..."

(see 'war is brewing' thread for link)

We did have honest diplomats once, but they get sacked for telling the truth. Bozza and the Tories despise the truth and despise their constituents. Expect more excruciating Nadine Dorres style squirming. Embarrassing.

 

[motorbiking]

From the regime who thinks it is acceptable to use both nuclear and chemical weapons routinely.

 

[Notch7]

No it's not, it's about Carrie Johnson getting Dominic Cummings sacked.

That may be true for you

you don’t care about the lies Johnson tells, the Tory corruption or the destruction of democracy.

Just look at what this govt has done to you….I’ve no doubt you are a decent honest person, but they’ve got you supporting their lies.


People do care about honour, decency, democracy - loads of Tories included
Johnson is running out of road

 

[Notch7]

even Tory MPs are ashamed by Johnsons latest lies.

 

[noseall]

From the regime who thinks it is acceptable to use both nuclear and chemical weapons routinely.

I know. I don't condone the Russians and trust them even less.

But it shows the state of British politics when even the Ruskies can criticise us without anyone even blinking.

 

[Notch7]

I know. I don't condone the Russians and trust them even less.

But it shows the state of British politics when even the Ruskies can criticise us without anyone even blinking.

Johnson was only there as a deflection, it’s all part of the “parties are trivial, I’m getting on with my usual bullsh1t” narrative -which soon filters down to the followers: look how quickly Fillyboy starts parroting the dross Tory MPs come out with.

 

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https://fb.watch/aVh2q1EuY-/

 

[ajohn]

From the regime who thinks it is acceptable to use both nuclear and chemical weapons routinely.

Other than letting off the biggest bang ever and leaking how to make a compact hydrogen bomb nuke wise they are no different to others. Given history there is always a chance that Putin is correct when he says that the state had nothing to do with the use of nerve agents. Pass.

There seems to be 2 schools of unhappy Tory Boris wise. One is pretty obvious. The other concerns running the country and it not going in the way they thought. One's comment mentioned how he ran London as major and relates to advisors and expecting the same when he is PM. If one is open about that there is likely to be others.

One prediction is a rather prolonged night of the long knives. Mrs T's was rather short as far as the public was concerned and they did manage to get elected again after the change. May was just a scapegoat with an impossible job re the EU. It's unusual to see Tory arguing with each other via the media. So unusual I may wonder what they are at. One may be this Boris bloke needs to go and they know it.

 

[AngleEyes]

If the 'bafoon' delivers the goods...........he will all be forgiven........if not forgotten

According to Doug99, the ends justify the means.
It doesn't matter if the ends are achieved through lies, deceit, bribery, ignorance and ineptitude.
The Brexiteers were blinded by their ideological goal of Brexit, and it doesn't matter how it was achieved.

 

[motorbiking]

But the parties are trivial and the legislation in force will make it hard to issue a FPN,

Other than letting off the biggest bang ever and leaking how to make a compact hydrogen bomb nuke wise they are no different to others. Given history there is always a chance that Putin is correct when he says that the state had nothing to do with the use of nerve agents. Pass.

There seems to be 2 schools of unhappy Tory Boris wise. One is pretty obvious. The other concerns running the country and it not going in the way they thought. One's comment mentioned how he ran London as major and relates to advisors and expecting the same when he is PM. If one is open about that there is likely to be others.

One prediction is a rather prolonged night of the long knives. Mrs T's was rather short as far as the public was concerned and they did manage to get elected again after the change. May was just a scapegoat with an impossible job re the EU. It's unusual to see Tory arguing with each other via the media. So unusual I may wonder what they are at. One may be this Boris bloke needs to go and they know it.

I disagree - the Tories are famous for grasping defeat from the jaws of victory. BJ landed them a huge majority and pretty much annihilated labour. Yet they simply can't knuckle down and get on with the job. Labour is looking quite aligned behind Sir K, which is something the Tories should easily be able to tackle. BJ needs to build a strong team around him and lead the country or move aside. I think he is a smart, articulate leader and his mistakes makes him human. Plenty of people were bending lock down.

Its fine to look at history and find fault with states. But in recent years there have been several nerve agent attacks and numerous nuclear waste based attacks. They choose these weapons (I think) because they are so arrogant that they do not care if the finger is pointing at them. I can't imagine a scenario where the UK would attack one G8 state with chemical weapons, let alone 2.

 

[AngleEyes]

But the parties are trivial and the legislation in force will make it hard to issue a FPN,

The parties themselves might be trivial, but when they're indicative of lying inept government ministers, they demonstrate the level and the depths which the current shower will resort to in order to hide their ineptitude, deceit and stay in power.
They're not just damaging the economy in pursuit of their ideological ambition, nor just the whole reputation of the UK on the world stage. They're damaging the very foundations of democracy itself, which can be fragile at the best of times.

 

[motorbiking]

I fail to see how democratically elected MPs are damaging the foundations democracy. Its not like they have beheaded the queen and locked up the opposition. You could argue that Momentum did more to destroy democracy by taking over the Labour Party and destroying it than any Tory MP. Had Momentum and the extreme left wing not scared off the normal Labour voter, Sir K might be in a stronger position. Personally I like coalitions and strong majorities as the first tread carefully and the second get things done.

 

[Notch7]

I fail to see how democratically elected MPs are damaging the foundations democracy.

the conservative party is destroying democracy

and it is engaged in an endless stream of brexit propaganda

look at Johnsons lies over last few days:

1) Saville -a total lie
2) crime down- a total lie
3) fastest growing economy in G7 -untrue

 

[AngleEyes]

I fail to see how democratically elected MPs are damaging the foundations democracy. Its not like they have beheaded the queen and locked up the opposition. You could argue that Momentum did more to destroy democracy by taking over the Labour Party and destroying it than any Tory MP. Had Momentum and the extreme left wing not scared off the normal Labour voter, Sir K might be in a stronger position.

When politics has become so corrupt and the corrupt politicians lie so much, then democracy is at risk.
It was already fragile due to the FPTP system, corrupt politicians trying to change the system to save one of their own, and the PM abusing his power to prorogue parliament.

You may not have noticed but Corbyn/momentum were never in power in order to abuse any systems, nor change any systems to save one of their own.

 

[ajohn]

People hear the term cyberwar and I wonder if they think of some one in Siberia wearing a woolly hat in sub zero temperature hacking the west's computers. It's not it's propaganda. Used by all. If it's a citizens own country it still goes on but needs another name and often includes feeding the news.

So effective it even sucks in people like motorbiking. Personally I feel it's best remain agnostic in this area and notice results and also watch what goes on. Some labour supporters notice that the media even the state outlets help push right propaganda. I can see some signs of that which makes all of it right wing rather than left wing snow flakes as some refer to them as. The snowflake types even ignore that the right is pushing the same things they object to. Why does this sort of thing go on - propaganda.

TBH I don't think the politics of yesteryear exists any more and can never be the same again. Too much skill around in using it even social media which also includes the loons to stir stuff up even more.