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They did quickly reduce from 21 hours on Friday to 6 by Sunday. A massive improvement. It's hard to tell how to describe these delays, should it be the day they meant to leave or the day they did leave?
LOL Maybe some cancelled.

Without numbers actually crossing it's hard to know what went on. A news item mentioned more crossing one year in the past but no info on queues.

Passport stamps can't help. Almost a dark age technique of tracking people movement.
 
LOL Maybe some cancelled.

Without numbers actually crossing it's hard to know what went on. A news item mentioned more crossing one year in the past but no info on queues.

Passport stamps can't help. Almost a dark age technique of tracking people movement.
Thankfully we have biometric scanners coming in to do that, which will probably mean everyone needs to get out the car to be checked.
 
Thankfully we have biometric scanners coming in to do that, which will probably mean everyone needs to get out the car to be checked.
Maybe a booth of sorts as per airports? I wonder if something clever could be done with pre ordered tickets.

While touring the Baltic I noticed the difference between having and not having a chipped passport. Currently things have gone a bit that way.. This was Russians queuing compared with EU citizens. :) LOL My wife couldn't find her ship boarding pass coming out of Russia. They had to put her in a room on her own in sight to us and then shut the blinds briefly as a joke. Then went in laughing to reassure her. She eventually found it but it would have been sorted anyway.
 
I know people who have been to Spain and have NOT had their passport stamped so complacency is already creeping in.

I can remember some on here saying we'd be f'cked and there would be no alternatives to:

Loss of the EHIC
The need for Green card insurance
UK photo driving licence not being valid in the EU
Loss of inclusive mobile roaming for U.K. citizens
The need for a visa for U.K. citizens to enter the EU.

All turned out to be just a part of project fear.
And the ongoing delays at Dover and Folkestone are what? Scotch mist?

I have never said we'd be f*ck*d, but I have stated the opinion that the bureaucracy will make going abroad more of a hassle, will cause delays, and will cost us more. Just like it used to be at one time. You seem to be of the opinion that these delays will evaporate. I beg to differ. Just because there is the odd bit of laxness doesn't mean it's going to grow. Just remember: the Daily Mail have got it the wrong way round, and it's us that need them more than they need us.

As to "project fear", from what I can see quite a few of those predictions are coming true. Or are you still wearing the blinkers and rose-tibnted specs and think that everything is wonderful?
 
So Brexit travel is the equivalent of the ports and airports being on strike. Joy.

Brexit - utter pile of poo.
 
A hard border in Ireland is an alternative
A hard border between Ireland and the EU is an alternative...
...The UK proposals for not checking goods destined for NI is alternative.
Unilaterally changing the the protocol as per article 16 is an alternative.

Neither of which will ever happen - at least not whilst the EU, Ireland and the USA say it won't. I seem to recall that we are bound by treaty on this - and a treaty can't be unilaterally changed or revoked without starting legal action and a potential trade war (which we would lose)

The UK fully aligning on standards is an alternative.
That is something any business already exporting to Europe is doing, so it's stupid not to align, despite what the Rt, Hon. Member for the Victorian Era (i.e. Jacob Rees-Smugg) would have you believe.

The narrative of there being no alternatives is just the EU's party line. Either side may not like the alternatives, but they exist.
The odd thing is that the EU is willing to negotiate. It's the UK government that, having negotiated a deal (which even the architect, Lord Frost, describes as terrible - and it was his work), now thinks it's OK to tear up the agreement it negotiated and do what the hell it wants, without consequences. This is cloud-cuckoo land. No wonder our international standing is at an all-time low
 
We should pay them, not pay the EU to pay them - and no doubt skim some off for themselves.
Unfortunately, we signed a contract to the effect that we'd pay our share. If we don't pay the share we committed to the WEU will simply take us to court and we'll lose - but in doing so it will cost us a lot more, in both legal fees, bank interest and loss of international standing. But you'll doubtless think that trashing the reputation of this country even further is worth it.
 
Our son-in-law has dual nationality - American and British. He has no problem going back and forth to the USA. Can yours? Do they want to? No. Neither do ours want to do that in Europe. It’s not the big deal you make it out to be.
Yes it is. In many fields, such as engineering, electronics, computing, science, the arts, etc the ability to travel freely and work in Europe is essential for future growth and progress in this country. just because your kids don't work in a sector where international experience is unimportant, don't assume that everyone else's kids are equally limited in their outlook.
 
We should not allow part of our nation to be under the control of our enemies. Either keep it or hand it over and let the EU sort out any 'troubles'.
Enemies? What sort of paranoid world do you live in? We signed the GFA. It is a binding international treaty. Accept the Boris's "oven ready deal" was always a lie and that the clown didn't have a clue

I'd be happy to see a reunification of Ireland and let Ireland and/or the EU sort out 'the troubles'.
Don't you think that you'd better run that past the people in NI first? I know, let's have a referendum - but if they get one then so should Scotland, Wales, and while we are about it the North of England, too
 
just because your kids don't work in a sector where international experience is unimportant, don't assume that everyone else's kids are equally limited in their outlook.
That’s quite an assumption you’ve made about my kids. What do you know about them?
 
I'd be happy to see a reunification of Ireland and let Ireland and/or the EU sort out 'the troubles'.
Don't you think that you'd better run that past the people in NI first? I know, let's have a referendum - but if they get one then so should Scotland, Wales, and while we are about it the North of England, too
That’s quite an assumption you’ve made about my kids. What do you know about them?
It was quite an assumption that you make about other young people not wishing to have free access to the EU
 
So the idea that we should "jettison" "EU derived laws" now, when we have not invented similar but different, non-EU derived laws, is pretty silly, right?
One problem is that as one of the three major economies in the EU (at the time), many of those laws had a lot of input from the UK. In my own field, that would include much of the H&S law and employee rights we have in the construction industry where Britain was a major driver. Trying to jettison EU derived laws as idiots like Rees-Smugg would like us to do is potentially extremely harmful to both businesses and individuals
 
Loss of the EHIC
The need for Green card insurance
UK photo driving licence not being valid in the EU
Loss of inclusive mobile roaming for U.K. citizens
The need for a visa for U.K. citizens to enter the EU.

All turned out to be just a part of project fear.


As to "project fear", from what I can see quite a few of those predictions are coming true.

Really? Which ones?
 
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Truss is saying wipe all of the EU statutes off the books. To trade some can't be - level field etc, The rest - probable rewrite them.

The only complication I am aware of is food imports - loosening them. That might cause even more grief in NI. Not enough details available but GM appears to figure. Trade tarrifs when food standards aren't maintained. Dubious one, If more expensive than our own produce just who will buy them. On the other hand if cheaper? Doesn't sound good for our own producers.
 
The odd thing is that the EU is willing to negotiate. It's the UK government that, having negotiated a deal (which even the architect, Lord Frost, describes as terrible - and it was his work), now thinks it's OK to tear up the agreement it negotiated and do what the hell it wants, without consequences. This is cloud-cuckoo land. No wonder our international standing is at an all-time low
The EU is willing to talk, but not to negotiate. The mandate the EU negotiator has been given is so narrow it makes a nonsense of calling talks negotiation.
 
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