Taking back control?

[ellal]

"A free trade deal between the UK and Australia is on course to include a controversial system of secret courts (ISDS) that will allow businesses to seek compensation if their profits are hit by government policies.

In a move that has alarmed trade unions and anti-poverty campaigners, trade minister Greg Hands said UK negotiators were in talks with Australian officials over proposals to include a scheme that will arbitrate on disputes behind closed doors."

"ISDS is a system of private courts convened in camera and arbitrated by judges, allowing firms to bypass domestic civil courts."

I assume brexiteers are ok with this?

The EU dropped TTIP because it appears the average EU citizen is a tad brighter than your average brexiteer!

"The EU planned to include an ISDS in a free trade deal with the US during talks started with president Barak Obama, but was forced to drop the measure after a series of marches and protests across the continent. In 2017 the transatlantic trade and investment partnership, known as TTIP, was put on ice."

 

[johnny2007]

Can you please post a link to the source so we can read the article?

 

[Notch7]

Can you please post a link to the source so we can read the article?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ecret-court-scheme-in-uk-australia-trade-deal

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Is that a new instruction from Boris, all cabinet ministers have to wear a Miss Piggy mask?

 

[sxturbo]

Genuine question, but how could Australian beef and and agricultural products be cheaper shipping them round the world than those same products produced in the UK?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Genuine question, but how could Australian beef and and agricultural products be cheaper shipping them round the world than those same products produced in the UK?

Yes, it's got to be cheaper than British beef, even allowing for shipping costs, otherwise why would anyone buy it? The Aussies achieve the savings with lower animal welfare standards and the use of hormones.

Rearing cattle to send the beef across the other side of the world may not sit too well with tree huggers either.

 

[securespark]

You don't have to be a tree hugger to realise that sending stuff long distance that could be produced locally is nucking futs.

 

[transam]

Bit like griping about a coal mine that was going to open in the uk to supply specialist steel makers

let’s just import steel from the other side of the world to keep the tree huggers happy

no steel no wind turbines

but hey ho

 

[johnny2007]

I'm surely not against eating animals, but this thing about producing meat on the other side of the world and ship it just to save a bit of money is totally wrong.
I understand if a product is not available locally, but normal meat?!?!
Same for all other products, including the mentioned steel.
Lots of substandard steel products from china just to save a few pennies.
Penny wise, pound foolish my mum said.
For example, have you tried the cheap screws against the expensive European made ones? (Spax, reissers, etc)

 

[securespark]

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

We should produce more stuff in this country for our own consumption. Tax should be levied on imports so as to make home-produced goods more attractive.

Increased production should help unemployment too.

 

[johnny2007]

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

We should produce more stuff in this country for our own consumption. Tax should be levied on imports so as to make home-produced goods more attractive.

Increased production should help unemployment too.

You nailed it!

 

[noseall]

Tax should be levied on imports so as to make home-produced goods more attractive.

Are you saying scrap all international bi-lateral trade agreements? Imposing tarrifs is highly contentious for both parties.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

We should produce more stuff in this country for our own consumption. Tax should be levied on imports so as to make home-produced goods more attractive.

Increased production should help unemployment too.

That doesn't matter to the government at present. All that's important is signing up some trade deals to offset the trade we're losing to Brexit. That these deals make no sense, commercially, economically or environmentally is immaterial.

 

[noseall]

You nailed it!

Trump tried - and failed, in the US.

Nailed my arse.

 

[Notch7]

Genuine question, but how could Australian beef and and agricultural products be cheaper shipping them round the world than those same products produced in the UK?

Bulk shipping is cheap.

Australia has cheap agricultural land and huge farms, which make cheap beef.

UK has expensive agricultural land - sonewhat caused by subsidy payments being based on land area. (A fault partly of EU, partly UK)