Wales becomes Trumpton

[motorbiking]

From your own link

Small reductions in road traffic collisions were observed at year 1 (3%; p=0.82) and year 3 post-implementation (15%; p=0.31) at the intervention site

You do need to read all of it.

 

[Roy Bloom]

You do need to read all of it.

Why don't you present the evidence from that report that refutes what barmanmemoranda claims?


p.s, sorry carmen', Freudian slip cum typo, and I thought why not leave it?

 

[SirGalahad]

You do need to read all of it.

Sorry I am playing the Brexiteer card, we don't do details and we don't need experts.

 

[motorbiking]

Apart from those who are now alive because of the speed restrictions.

SPEED KILLS.

It’s so much more scientific if you put it in capital letters.

But if you have any working knowledge of fatality reporting. You would see a different story.

Summary here:

Reported road casualties Great Britain: pedestrian factsheet 2021

www.gov.uk

You need to ignore the covid/lockdown effect.

Failing to look kills. every £1 spend lowering/enforcing speed limits is £1 that could have better spent on technology/training/campaigns to improve observation.

That will save 5 X more lives.

 

[motorbiking]

Sorry I am playing the Brexiteer card, we don't do details and we don't need experts.

We don’t need trolls

 

[Roy Bloom]

We don’t need trolls

We do need humour.

 

[Roy Bloom]

It’s so much more scientific if you put it in capital letters.

But if you have any working knowledge of fatality reporting. You would see a different story.

Summary here:

Reported road casualties Great Britain: pedestrian factsheet 2021

www.gov.uk

You need to ignore the covid/lockdown effect.

Failing to look kills. every £1 spend lowering/enforcing speed limits is £1 that could have better spent on technology/training/campaigns to improve observation.

That will save 5 X more lives.

That report demonstrates exactly why lower speed limits where pedestrians and motorists (and cyclists) mix is so important.

 

[SirGalahad]

We don’t need trolls

Yet you voted for Boris. The shoe fits.

 

[SirGalahad]

It’s so much more scientific if you put it in capital letters.

But if you have any working knowledge of fatality reporting. You would see a different story.

Summary here:

Reported road casualties Great Britain: pedestrian factsheet 2021

www.gov.uk

You need to ignore the covid/lockdown effect.

Failing to look kills. every £1 spend lowering/enforcing speed limits is £1 that could have better spent on technology/training/campaigns to improve observation.

That will save 5 X more lives.

But that is a report, who needs reports?

You dismissed the evidence against Brexit without a seconds notice so I will dismiss your evidence.

The shoe fits.

 

[Brigadier]

I'm not, and I wasn't.

So why mention it at all?

It isn't the primary rationale for lowering speed limits in Wales.

I didn't say it was. I said it made no difference - in the roads where the reduction being discussed - at all.

The reduction of the concertina effect on traffic, causing stop-start motoring, is an incidental benefit of the reduced speed limit.

Make your mind up.

It is, on motorways, the primary reason for imposing a temporary speed limit, and it's benefits are evident.

What I said already.
And of no relevance to the roads being discussed here.

But not so the 20mph limit in Wales.

So stop posting about it then, as it is of no more relevance than whether the local shop has Snickers or Mars on special offer.

 

[Brigadier]

And the speeders are still speeding.

That's the point.

If you can find a report of the number of fatalities and serious injuries caused by those travelling at 30, you could then make a case for harm reduction by dropping the limit to 20.

But the death and harm was in all likelihood being caused by people by who ignored the 30 limit, and in all likelihood will do the same when it's 20.

 

[motorbiking]

If you look at the causes of accidents as reported.

Speeding and inappropriate speed is a minor factor. Observation, alcohol, drugs. Etc. are all much higher. But it’s easier to lower the speed limit and fine people.

 

[noseall]

If you look at the causes of accidents as reported.

Excessive speed is always a factor.

Excessive speed is dangerous.

Speed kills.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You do need to read all of it.

So is that bit wrong ?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

That's the point.

If you can find a report of the number of fatalities and serious injuries caused by those travelling at 30, you could then make a case for harm reduction by dropping the limit to 20.

But the death and harm was in all likelihood being caused by people by who ignored the 30 limit, and in all likelihood will do the same when it's 20.

Yes I agree.

But because some people don't stick to limits the easiest way to slow mist people down is to lower the limit.

It works. But id prefer proper enforcement against those that don't obey 30 etc. Good chance it's those that object to 20 the most too