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[Roy Bloom]

What is the source of the Islamists’ Jew- hatred? The Middle East conflict is often cited as a reason but this is much too simplistic. The first sources are the scriptures of early Islam. Hostility toward Jews has existed since Islam came into being. Hamas, in its official charter, quotes the Prophet Muhammad as saying: “the day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: ‘O Muslim, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.’” This is a particularly cruel Hadith. We imagine the trembling Jew who tries to survive by hiding behind rocks and trees. However, the rocks (the symbol of non-living nature ) and the trees (the symbol of living nature), both want his death. As if the whole universe is eager to kill this sole and trembling Jew.

source:isdp.eu

There's loads of such passages in the Bible and Quaran

2 Chronicles 15:12-13​

And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

Luke 19:27​

But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”

Deuteronomy 17:1-20​

“You shall not sacrifice to the Lord your God an ox or a sheep in which is a blemish, any defect whatever, for that is an abomination to the Lord your God. “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones. ...

Deuteronomy 17:12​

The man who acts presumptuously by not obeying the priest who stands to minister there before the Lord your God, or the judge, that man shall die. So you shall purge the evil from Israel.

etc

 

[Deleted member 294929]

No scam with my refugee

He is here now asleep he has had a tiring day

Your very kind. My intention was good but you get to live the dream ️

 

[Notch7]

Frequent, repeated?

Repeated shelling does not mean frequent destruction

poor Himmy

 

[Roy Bloom]

Well post the "correct" translation of the 1988 Hamas Covenant. It should be simple if the others are wrong.

What is the point, it's out of date.
It discussed the Islamist ideology of Jews violating the 'sacred texts':

The 1988 Charter claimed that the Jews deserved God's/Allah's enmity and wrath because they received the Scriptures but violated its sacred texts, disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew their own prophets.

Hamas Charter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The next best thing to an independent version of the original is the Wikipedia one, and it covers the opposition to Israel in a colonial sense:

it compares Israel with an imperialist-colonialist movement

Hamas Charter - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And I didn't deny its accuracy, I said:

And the Charter has been updated. That was the original from 1988, if it was accurate. I noticed it was the Israeli version.
The updated charter does not call for the whole of Palestine to be liberated, It accepts the 1967 borders.

I doubt that an independent updated version exists, just the Israeli and USA ones.
But it's out-of-date. It's been updated with a recognition of the 1967 borders.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Repeated shelling does not mean frequent destruction

What do you think repeated shelling does to buildings?
It doen't improve them. It doesn't reconstruct them. It doesn't repair the solar panels.
It doesn't add anything. it destroys stuff.
And it kills its workers.

 

[fillyboy]

The 2017 charter accepted for the first time the idea of a Palestinian state within the borders that existed before 1967 and rejects recognition of Israel which it terms as the "Zionist enemy".[2] It advocates such a state as transitional but also advocates "liberation of all of Palestine".[14][15] The new document also states that the group doesn't seek war with the Jewish people but only against Zionism which it holds responsible for "occupation of Palestine".[16]

 

[denso13]

It's been updated with a recognition of the 1967 borders.

It's clearly contradictory and an effort to appear reasonable. Completely changed their views in only 20 years? I don't think so.

 

[denso13]

What is the point, it's out of date.

It would prove you right and the "US versions" wrong. But you won't, or can't, do that.

 

[Roy Bloom]

It's clearly contradictory and an effort to appear reasonable. Completely changed their views in only 20 years? I don't think so.

UK can swing from a left wing government to a far right wing government in 20 years.
USA can go from a war-mongering POTUS, to a criminal racist idiot, and back to a left wing centrist in 20 years.
European governments can go from left wing or centrist to far right wings.
United Republics can disintergrate into different independent countries.
Yet you don't think Hamas can adjust its position?

 

[Roy Bloom]

It would prove you right and the "US versions" wrong. But you won't, or can't, do that.

I didn't deny its accuracy. How many more times do I have to repeat it.
I said it's the US or Israeli versions. And I don't know if it is accurate. I specifically said: "if it's accurate".

And as far as I'm concerned there's no point in searching for an out-of-date independent version of the document.

It's out-of-date., and has been for about 8 years. Forget about it. It has no value to todays ocurrences.

Have you found the Hamas Media Office yet?
You presented the document from them, so I assume you tested its veracity.

 

[Notch7]

be a practised and accomplished liar like

Hamas lie…they claimed 500 people were killed by a bomb that landed in a hospital car park

and they claimed it was an Israeli bomb.

 

[Notch7]

Yet you don't think Hamas can adjust its position

In case you hadnt noticed Hamas recently killed over 1200 Israelis

so no it hasn’t adjusted its position

 

[Notch7]

It's out-of-date., and has been for about 8 years. Forget about it. It has no value to todays ocurrences

So you are saying the evidence you posted is out of date and irrelevant.

oops

 

[Roy Bloom]

Hamas lie…they claimed 500 people were killed by a bomb that landed in a hospital car park

and they claimed it was an Israeli bomb.

And Israel didn't lie when they denied killing members of the international press?
The only admitted it when it was proven.
And denied the they were responsible for the hospital bomb. And you choose to believe the Israelis.
There's been no independent investigation into the hospitasl bombing, nor ir there ever likely to be, Israel do not allow independent investigations.
So assigning blame is your guess work.

 

[fillyboy]

Hamas lie…they claimed 500 people were killed by a bomb that landed in a hospital car park

and they claimed it was an Israeli bomb.

Roy supports terrorists who murder their own people.