I wish we had big Don in charge over here !

?? Non sequitur. Not addressing one issue , doesn't justify doing something else that's daft.
how is it daft?

we have a massive problem with public services at point of collapse

if we dont get it from employers NI where do we get it from?

its easy to complain its daft but what is your solution:

A) let public services continue to collapse

or

B) some other tax
 
Mandy might not be a shoe in for Ambassador, seems his file has been handed to the FBI, apparently there are concerns about his China connections.
 
How are food prices in USA now that Trumpy has deported the migrants who work on the farms?
 
how is it daft?

we have a massive problem with public services at point of collapse

if we dont get it from employers NI where do we get it from?

its easy to complain its daft but what is your solution:

A) let public services continue to collapse

or

B) some other tax
Tax and growth, not employers.
She couldn't touch NI or income tax because the wanted to get elected.

Taxing employment - stupid , assinine, incompetent, exactly where not to hit the economy if you want growth.
"Oh but we need for money for x y,z ", doesn't change that.

Typical crappy populist appealing to the dumb voters. Like going after non-doms.
Hit the rich, ra-ra-ra.
Non doms said they'd just leave. I heard a number, something like 8000 billionaires have done that. I wonder how much that will cost us.

It might not sit comfortably but there is a positive correlation between how wealthy someone is and how much they pay in to the economy.
If their activity is running a company and you make it harder, you get less out of them.

Another proboscidean is care for the elderly.. It's imho mad that people get to grow their wealth to say a couple of million quid, and still expect the state to pay for all their healthcare and general living as they pass it to their kids as they slide into decrepitude. Ask a Murrican about that..

It costs of the order of 100k pa. That's why I decided to get us together enough for 30 years or so to pay for it. I guess I'm lucky to be able to do it (See Stock Market thread) when many others try and can't. I can't help wondering if the State should have a central trading facility to earn from the world's markets. Does it take any special ability - no, but some learning. Does anyone teach it - no. Why??. Afaik it's all "private" ie big banks.
I do know a guy inhis 80's who has his marbles, whi started at the start of Jan. He's delighted that he's going to be able to build enough to pay the rest of his way. He's up 80k so far.


YOu'll have seen how most people are a drain onthe state. I haven't looked much but OLD article here: https://fullfact.org/economy/are-half-british-households-burden-state/
The major contributors are in the richest quintile. If you aren't paying 40% rate tax or higher, be grateful to those of us who are paying for you!
 
How are food prices in USA now that Trumpy has deported the migrants who work on the farms?
Already very high in the cities. They'll be even higher when they drain the ancient aquifers they're using to irrigate - and water their lawns with.
 
Taxing employment - stupid , assinine, incompetent, exactly where not to hit the economy if you want growth.
so what do you want?

you dont want them taxing employers

you dont want them taxing the wealthy

maybe you want them taxing ordinary working people more

or maybe you want them just allowing public services to collapse


apparently you think helping people off NHS waiting lists and back into work is irrelevant to economic growth



It might not sit comfortably but there is a positive correlation between how wealthy someone is and how much they pay in to the economy
there is a correlation between countries with high levels of wealth inequality and low standards of living for the majority of citizens

"Non doms said they'd just leave."...............yeah the billionaire owned Daily Mail and Telegraph never stop telling us that



Another proboscidean is care for the elderly.. It's imho mad that people get to grow their wealth to say a couple of million quid, and still expect the state to pay for all their healthcare and general living as they pass it to their kids as they slide into decrepitude.
So you think its wrong to tax the wealthy more but here you are saying we should tax the wealthy more
 
o what do you want?

you dont want them taxing employers

you dont want them taxing the wealthy

maybe you want them taxing ordinary working people more

or maybe you want them just allowing public services to collapse


apparently you think helping people off NHS waiting lists and back into work is irrelevant to economic growth
What a pile of crap.
I expect prejudice and blinkers made you make that up. And it is made up, I didn't write any of it.
Doesn't lefty admin delete misquotes? And/or misquoters?

So you think its wrong to tax the wealthy more but here you are saying we should tax the wealthy more
More crap. Ditto.

whataboutery
Ditto

I just said it's already expensive and likely to become more so.:rolleyes:

there is a correlation between countries with high levels of wealth inequality and low standards of living for the majority of citizens
Is it the inequality that bothers you, or the standards of the poor?
The standards of the poor people are paid for by the producers, who tend to be rich people (Unless they're as criminal as Trump) - get over it, it's the way the world works. If you disincentivise personal wealth creation, you're left with only poor people.
You can't have equality. Where are you going to cite - China? If so then you haven't spent any time there.

.yeah the billionaire owned Daily Mail and Telegraph never stop telling us that
From what I saw/heard somewhere, they were right. Billionaires have to have been right sometimes or they wouldn't be where they are.
So instead of a more considered approach, they've made those other billionaires leave. Mistake. I'm sure Rache will at some point be telling us how much has been gained, nett. Or maybe just one side of the equation like politicians often do.

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If you just attempt ( and fail) to paint a straw man from something you can't work out or imagine, and make things up so you make yourself look silly, you get nowhere.
That's what you just did.

The country doesn't have enough money, we probably agree. You presumably don't think being free of the corruption of the last government is going to make things OK by itself?

You come up with "so what do you want?".
I already made some suggestions. You have a reading problem as well?? What have you suggested? Nothing, but you can't see that counterproductive measures have been taken.

I already said tax - I probably (I don't have the figures,) would have put NI up 1% . I don't think generally that would have caused too much pushback - it's meant to be for the NHS. Under about £12kpa don't pay it iirc then the rate rises as you earn more. You can look at how many taxpayers were paying for one oldie when the NHS was started compared with now. It's massively worse. Something mad like 20:1 became 0.5:1.

I would have possibly put 1p on the 40% rate as well, and looked at the 45% rate. It could have been called "temporary" so people didn't put too much effort into finding ways to pay less tax. We know from history you have to be careful or the receipts go down if you raise the rates too much.

OK then what would you do? Wring your hands, blame the wrong people, and keep on spending money you don't have??
Do tell - we're all ears.
 
Can we dig up Margaret Hilda Thatcher, she's got to be better "even though dead" than what we have had in the last 20 years
 
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