can you use 3 phase SWA cable for 230vAC single phase?

[JohnW2]

I happen to live in a country where over-sleeving isn‘t allowed either (at least for earth, neutral is a bit of a grey area) ...

Even in the UK, iut is no longer acceptable to over-sleeve a G/Y-insulated conductor. That used to be allowed for multt-core, but not single-core cables, but that is no longer in the case.

However, BS7671 has no problem with any other over-sleeving (just at terminations), although I think that it does say that it is 'preferred' for insulation colour to be the same throughout the length of the cable.

 

[Risteard]

I wasn't suggesting that it was a good, or even sensible, idea.

What I was saying is that if people in that country really do believe that the prohibition of over-sleeving is a significant 'safety issue' , then they could address it even further by forcing electricians to 'increase the price of every job' in the manner you mention.

Fortunately, neither you nor I live in such a country, so the issue is moot for us.

It would hardly align with their obligations in respect of IEC/CENELEC either, so couldn't actually be done anyway.

 

[Risteard]

i got one of these socket wiriring testers to see if a socket is wired up correctly - so easy a monkey can use it :

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then theres always my digital multimeter to test continuity / resistance, and the RCD in the consumer unit with the 'Test' button to test out the trip works on the RCCD

I used to work on electrical trade counter in a builders providers in the 80's in the UK for 3 years so used to pick up bits and pieces of 'info and how to do' from the electricians who picked up their stuff (granted things have moved on since then in terms of electrics and regs) at nearly 60 I am too old to go on any courses and become a fully qualified electrician , so its just as a hobby now.

unfortunately yer good man Risteard is located miles away from me up in donegal , so sorry to @Risteard I would have to be getting an electrician nearer to do the job, soz!

No need to apologise. I've done jobs in Sligo before, but like you I agree it's too far for most things. About a two hour drive to Sligo Town from here.

 

[andyr123]

No need to apologise. I've done jobs in Sligo before, but like you I agree it's too far for most things. About a two hour drive to Sligo Town from here.

Yeah, about right - my wife and son drove up to Derry the other week for a railway model exhibition up there

 

[Deleted member 142255]

It does, but one is then reliant on the colour, letter or number, as installed by someone else, being correct. Are you totally confident that such will always be the case?

Still easier than no identification at all.

Think you should leave electrics to those qualified and stick to summat you can do.

I don't understand your concern, or why you are going on about this. Don't you have something better to do in the nice weather we're enjoying this weekend?

I merely included your name as an example, since you were the one person who had spoken out in this thread fairly strongly against reliance on SWA armour - are you in some way ashamed of that view, or what?

I suggest you 'cool'

It was a totally unnecessary comment is my point. DO NOT do it again unless you really want me to retaliate!

 

[Deleted member 142255]

Even in the UK, iut is no longer acceptable to over-sleeve a G/Y-insulated conductor. That used to be allowed for multt-core, but not single-core cables, but that is no longer in the case.

However, BS7671 has no problem with any other over-sleeving (just at terminations), although I think that it does say that it is 'preferred' for insulation colour to be the same throughout the length of the cable.

To my knowledge it has never been acceptable to oversleeve green/yellow conductors at all. But hey ho, I've only done 46 years in the trade unlike your no years.

 

[JohnW2]

To my knowledge it has never been acceptable to oversleeve green/yellow conductors at all. But hey ho, I've only done 46 years in the trade unlike your no years.

Until the latest amendment to BS 7671, there was an explicit prohibition of oversleeving a G/Y-insulated conductor in single-core cable (seel below), but no corresponding prohibition of oversleeving a G/Y-insulated core in a multi-core cable - but maybe you spent too much of those 45 years working to have had time to read that (but if you'd been aa participant in this forum in the past, you would have seen a lot of discussion about this) ... and, yes, that IS a 'dig', in return for the one you have directed at me !

There is, and always has been, a prohibition of using G/Y colours 'to identify' anything other than a protective conductor, but (with the one exception for singles mentioned above) there has never been anything stopping one using over-sleeving' to 'identify' (as something other than a protective conductor) a conductor which had underlying G/Y insulation ...

514.4.2 Protective conductor
..... Single-core cables identified by green-and-yellow throughout their length shall only be used as a protective conductor
and shall not be overmarked at their terminations, except as permitted by Regulation 514.4.3

 

[Deleted member 142255]

I doubt very much this forum existed 45 years ago.

Current edition:

 

[Deleted member 142255]

14th edition, 1976 reprint

 

[JohnW2]

Current edition: ...

Exactly - you confirm what I said. As you now illustrate, the current edition of BS 7671 (Amd 2) says:

Single-core cables and conductors in multicore cables identified by green-and-yellow throughout their length shall only be used as a protective conductor and shall not be overmarked at their terminations

... whereas, as I said in my previous post, the previous version (the 'original' BS7671:2018) said:

Single-core cables identified by green-and-yellow throughout their length shall only be used as a protective conductor
and shall not be overmarked at their terminations

In other words, as I said, prior to Amd 2 (i.e. 2022), oversleeving of G/Y-insulated conductors at their terminations was permitted, but that ceased to be the case in 2022. ... hence indicating that, despite your 45 years in the trade, "your knowledge" was incorrect when you wrote ...

To my knowledge it has never been acceptable to oversleeve green/yellow conductors at all. But hey ho, I've only done 46 years in the trade unlike your no years.

 

[Deleted member 142255]

Exactly - you confirm what I said. As you now illustrate, the current edition of BS 7671 (Amd 2) says:


... whereas, as I said in my previous post, the previous version (the 'original' BS7671:2018) said:


In other words, as I said, prior to Amd 2 (i.e. 2022), oversleeving of G/Y-insulated conductors at their terminations was permitted, but that ceased to be the case in 2022. ... hence indicating that, despite your 45 years in the trade, "your knowledge" was incorrect when you wrote ...

You really are a clown aren't you.

Look at the 14th edition I posted.

It was never permitted, but as a diyer you must know better.

 

[SUNRAY]

And an image of this one too please.

 

[Deleted member 142255]

Just for you, to save you asking, I've included 514.4.3 too.

 

[Deleted member 142255]

The only time it has been allowed it with a PEN conductor, which would not apply in a domestic situation to anyone other than the supply authority.

 

[JohnW2]

You really are a clown aren't you.

No, but maybe some people around here are.

Look at the 14th edition I posted.

I did - and I see nothing there which says as you suggest.

It was never permitted, but as a diyer you must know better.

No, not "as a DIYer" but, rather, "as a person who can read"