GPs to get £20 bonus for keeping patients out of hospital

[gas112]

So what? It covers the additional work involved.

will ask yet again what additional admin work is involved in moving a cursor from one box to another and pressing enter

 

[denso13]

will ask yet again what additional admin work is involved in moving a cursor from one box to another and pressing enter

It's done by the GP on the E-Referral system. the GP then interprets the response from the consultant and either, asks for further clarification or provides treatment as advised.

It isn't purely an admin function.

 

[gas112]

It's done by the GP on the E-Referral system. the GP then interprets the response from the consultant and either, asks for further clarification or provides treatment as advised.

It isn't purely an admin function.

been busy on google there is a good boy
its not done by the gp its done by admin.
so further down the line he may have to spend 2 mins reading a letter and typing a prescription

. its still money they would not be getting

 

[gas112]

It's done by the GP on the E-Referral system. the GP then interprets the response from the consultant and either, asks for further clarification or provides treatment as advised.

It isn't purely an admin function.

Also explain where you think it involves additional costs and why .

 

[denso13]

its not done by the gp its done by admin.

Admin tell the patient what is happening and compile/send the medical questions to the consultants? Wow, then they deserve the £20.

 

[denso13]

Also explain where you think it involves additional costs and why .

Time is money.

 

[IT Minion]

Why do some people object to the NHS trying to save money by encouraging more efficient and effective processes?

 

[Notch7]

will ask yet again what additional admin work is involved in moving a cursor from one box to another and pressing enter

You are completely wrong, but I am interested to know how you reached your belief..............So why do you think an A&G request is simply moving a cursor from one box to another?



Perhaps we should look to see what healthcare professionals think about it................here is a practice manager:

Preparing and submitting a detailed A&G request, reviewing specialist advice, adjusting care plans, and handling associated administration requires considerable effort. I’ve read that the minimum costing for any hospital outpatient appointment starts at £150, which makes the £20 A&G payment somewhat underwhelming. The initial feedback from the GPs here is that it’s laughable, especially given that the BMA has advised practices to stop engaging with A&G pathways as part of its collective action.”


the BMA had this on their collective action list:

"Stop engaging with the e-Referral Advice & Guidance pathway – unless it is a timely and clinically helpful process for you in your professional role."

Why?

A = Dr Katie Bramall-Stainer said the advice to stop A&G as part of collective action was added to the BMA ‘menu’ because it is ‘unresourced workload transfer’. It can ‘lead to lengthy back and forth discussions with further requests for GP actions’.

Practice Managers respond to plans to fund A&G services

Earlier this week, the Government laid out its new ‘elective reform plan’, which aims to cut the list of patients waiting more than 18 weeks for NHS treatment in England. One of the measures that has sparked significant debate amongst Practice Managers is the plan to give doctors £20 each time...

practiceindex.co.uk

BMA may stand down A&G collective action if GPs 'paid fairly'

The BMA's advice for GPs to stop advice and guidance (A&G) may be 'dropped' from collective action options following news of a £20 payment.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk

NHS England » Collective action by GPs: supporting guidance

NHS England » Collective action by GPs: supporting guidance

www.england.nhs.uk

 

[Deleted member 317777]

No, capped at 4 million.

For now, they have another 20 million ready

 

[Notch7]

For now, they have another 20 million ready

It’s extra work so Gp surgeries should be paid more.

You seem to think it’s money for old rope…..because you don’t do any research to know better…..just like gas112

 

[Deleted member 317777]

Time is money.

Yes and they are getting an incentive to palm off patients.

Follow the money…

 

[denso13]

Yes and they are getting an incentive to palm off patients.

The complete opposite, they are getting an incentive to keep the patients.

 

[Deleted member 317777]

The complete opposite, they are getting an incentive to keep the patients.

No, palmed off to a specialist.

I wonder who pays for the specialist….

 

[denso13]

No, palmed off to a specialist.

No, advice sought from a consultant so the patient can be treated by the GP and not added to hospital waiting lists.

Would you rather everyone just went on a hospital waiting list? You keep refusing to answer this.

 

[Deleted member 317777]

No, advice sought from a consultant so the patient can be treated by the GP and not added to hospital waiting lists.

Would you rather everyone just went on a hospital waiting list? You keep refusing to answer this.

So they specialist is going to diagnose millions of patients over the phone?

There no chance they will make a referral to them….


Right you are.