Assisted Dying Bill (passed)

noseall said:
It's not called 'assisted dying' for nothing.
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And far better not to have any 'assistant' facing the possibility of criminal proceedings...

Notwithstanding the principle that everyone should have the choice to die the way they want.

But I'm wondering why participation of a judge in the procedure was removed...

Because if someone is refused 'assisted dying' by the medical profession, it could then end up in court if the person has the wherewithal to do so...

In the same way that doctors can take it to court if they want to allow a person that they believe is terminal to die.
 
noseall said:
It's not called 'assisted dying' for nothing.
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Assisted dying already happens.

Doctors withhold water, food, medicine.

I went in to Tunbridge Wells hospital with my Dad to see Mum, who had been taken to hospital from the nursing home as she had a chest infection. As we walked towards the ward the Dr called us in, he then proceeded to tell my Dad “your wife is close to the end of her life, I think we should stop feeding her (she was peg fed). You can imagine how my Dad felt and he refused.

Anyway, 2 days later, she was sent back to the nursing home, unbeknown to us, the Dr had instructed the nursing home not to give her oxygen if her levels fell, The following day we get a call from the nursing home to say her blood oxygen level had drop to 79%, she died before we got there.


The NHS routinely assists people to die, sometimes against the wishes of relatives.

Not only that, the method they use is often withholding water and food, so death can take weeks and can be unpleasant.



The bill isn’t about helping people to die, it’s about giving people a dignified death, for some a relief from unbearable pain.
 
Notch7 said:
Assisted dying already happens.

Doctors withhold water, food, medicine.

I went in to Tunbridge Wells hospital with my Dad to see Mum, who had been taken to hospital from the nursing home as she had a chest infection. As we walked towards the ward the Dr called us in, he then proceeded to tell my Dad “your wife is close to the end of her life, I think we should stop feeding her (she was peg fed). You can imagine how my Dad felt and he refused.

Anyway, 2 days later, she was sent back to the nursing home, unbeknown to us, the Dr had instructed the nursing home not to give her oxygen if her levels fell, The following day we get a call from the nursing home to say her blood oxygen level had drop to 79%, she died before we got there.


The NHS routinely assists people to die, sometimes against the wishes of relatives.

Not only that, the method they use is often withholding water and food, so death can take weeks and can be unpleasant.



The bill isn’t about helping people to die, it’s about giving people a dignified death, for some a relief from unbearable pain.
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was this some time ago? This practice was supposed to be ended. "Liverpool Pathway" etc.

A doctor needs a good reason to withdraw treatment. Food can be problematic once a person reaches a certain point as it can cause infection once the body has gone beyond a certain point.
 
Notch7 said:
Assisted dying already happens.

Doctors withhold water, food, medicine.

I went in to Tunbridge Wells hospital with my Dad to see Mum, who had been taken to hospital from the nursing home as she had a chest infection. As we walked towards the ward the Dr called us in, he then proceeded to tell my Dad “your wife is close to the end of her life, I think we should stop feeding her (she was peg fed). You can imagine how my Dad felt and he refused.

Anyway, 2 days later, she was sent back to the nursing home, unbeknown to us, the Dr had instructed the nursing home not to give her oxygen if her levels fell, The following day we get a call from the nursing home to say her blood oxygen level had drop to 79%, she died before we got there.


The NHS routinely assists people to die, sometimes against the wishes of relatives.

Not only that, the method they use is often withholding water and food, so death can take weeks and can be unpleasant.



The bill isn’t about helping people to die, it’s about giving people a dignified death, for some a relief from unbearable pain.
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Days before Dad passed away they fitted a morphine syringe driver, they as good as told us that it's speeds things up but stops the pain.

Don't know how true that is in every case as just reading about it people can have them fitted for a long time.
 
There are huge numbers of people who are fully compos mentis who just want their suffering to be ended.
 
Notch7 said:
I think its great this debate is being had and a bill brought to parliament and has gone through.

I don't think it's going to help many people though, but the potential is at least in place.

NHS routinely put people on a pathway to dying already
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I've seen 2 members of my family put effectively, on the 'Liverpool Pathway' - i.e staved to death; it's no longer call that . Now if that isn't cruel and heartless I don't know what is? It is horrible to see people asking for food (and to an extent, drink) whilst the family wait around watching while they slowly die.
Once people hit the point of no return to good health and they have their full knowledge (or even with health power of attorney) should they wish to end their suffering why shouldn't they. Clearly they need the support of doctors (health professionals) to do it and the family need to be apart from that decision.
 
Maybe it boils down to money, if I end it while I can my kids get my money, maybe they don't like that?
 
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