Which of these sockets are in the right place? (If any)

[morqthana]

Nice.

And the rotisserie accessory is actually meant for a BBQ - the grill people just buy it in and supply a bracket to allow you to connect it to their product, but I'm assuming there's the versatility to use it on a BBQ if you want - it comes with whatever BBQ mountings it normally does.

We bought the grill because years ago we had one of those free-standing gas cookers with an eye-level grill, and I've never thought the grill function of an electric oven was anywhere near as good.

Saw the Hi-Grill, thought "that looks better", and blimey - isn't it great to be able to see what's going on again.

 

[SUNRAY]

The statistics for A&E fat in eyes from grilled sausages and bacon used to be much higher when we all had eye level grills, except I have never shared a house with an eye level grill.

 

[morqthana]

Well all I can say then is that having used an eye level grill for decades I am clearly blessed with one of these:

• Good luck
• Common sense

 

[robinbanks]

Sockets don't use any power

Really? Wow. You've taught me something there..

I'm sure, before the urge to be so intensely patronising overtook you, that you did actually understand the point I was making that the kitchen is typically the most heavily loaded of all rooms in terms of appliance power requirements. You can't just endlessly add more sockets to power more appliances simultaneously, diversity or no. At some point it really is sensible to install another circuit to avoid nuisance trips if you're filling the kitchen thus

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Really? Wow. You've taught me something there..

I'm sure, before the urge to be so intensely patronising overtook you, that you did actually understand the point I was making that the kitchen is typically the most heavily loaded of all rooms in terms of appliance power requirements. You can't just endlessly add more sockets to power more appliances simultaneously, diversity or no. At some point it really is sensible to install another circuit to avoid nuisance trips if you're filling the kitchen thus

You seemed to be implying there was a limit, and there is no such limit.

The point I was making, was that a good number of sockets, doesn't equal an excessive load on the circuit, rather it makes life more convenient - in fact it is very lightly loaded, no washing machines, dish washers, or dryers. We actually have the kitchen ring, sharing its circuit, with much of the ground floor, though there are three of outlets, on radials, plus the boiler.

 

[ebee]

Height should be ideally 300mm above counter top? They look lower. As suggested , double up and have extra sockets.

There is not a one size to fit all in all circumstances.
however if you doing a lot of kitchens an they all similar you might like to stick to some "standard" heights and groupings, at least in part.

You might like to pick a height that is convenient for most people.
You might like to pick a height that makes flexes for kettles/toasters etc not travel too long along the surface of the worktop.
You might like to mount at a height that makes it easier for the particular size of wall tiles you intend to use.
Women tend to be shorter than men ( on "average" ) and people are different heights and sizes anyway so all your kitchen placements might vary a bit according to peoples likely differences.
So, no one size fits all and by your considerations you might pick dimensions that suit nobody at all.

I have a funny tale about where the customer wanted things once.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I have a funny tale about where the customer wanted things once.

Go!

 

[morqthana]

I have a funny tale about where the customer wanted things once.

Why did they only want them there once?

 

[ebee]

Why did they only want them there once?

LOl Yes probably I think

 

[ebee]

Go!

A plumbing/heating chap leading a small firm.
His Daughter had bought a house and he wanted me to do the kitchen electrics.
Right where do you want sockets? 4 twins spread about on that wall! What spacing?
Oh equi-spaced !
Ok from wall to wall or from tall unit to other wall!
Oh, bother, just equi-space them! Oh and you usually mount them too high!
Oh right what height you want them from finished floor level?
XXX!
Right then so I marked out and placed the boxes equi- spaced from tall unit to other end wall and at dimension YYY from finished floor level because his dimension XXX was far too low, it was ridiculous, so it finished up only slightly lower than my usual.
Before going any further I left him to study it before any cable in.
Yes that is what I want!
Are you sure that your spacing will be OK for all appliances etc?
YES, now do not as any more questions and just get on with it.

OK, so I did, as was told. Phew,

a few moths later, I was talking a job over with him, it was to be another kitchen so I asked him if his daughter had moved in and everything was OK?

Yes, absolutely fine.
Oh Good - I then mentioned I mounted the sockets far higher than he had asked.
Ho, yes, they would have been far too low where I said.
Anyway, all good now?

Yes - well one of those sockets has ended up right behind the hob so she has to be careful with boiling pans.
Ho! I did asked for a small sketch to give me a basic idea of your proposals.
yes you did and all I gave you was verbal height and spacing.

I can tell you several other memorable stories, several from the same person, from over the years. Quite amusing looking back although I did get lots of work from him.

 

[foxhole]

There is not a one size to fit all in all circumstances.
however if you doing a lot of kitchens an they all similar you might like to stick to some "standard" heights and groupings, at least in part.

You might like to pick a height that is convenient for most people.
You might like to pick a height that makes flexes for kettles/toasters etc not travel too long along the surface of the worktop.
You might like to mount at a height that makes it easier for the particular size of wall tiles you intend to use.
Women tend to be shorter than men ( on "average" ) and people are different heights and sizes anyway so all your kitchen placements might vary a bit according to peoples likely differences.
So, no one size fits all and by your considerations you might pick dimensions that suit nobody at all.

I have a funny tale about where the customer wanted things once.

I did say ideally , you don’t want them in a dangerous position .( New builds tend to have sockets around 1200mm above floor level.)

 

[ebee]

I did say ideally , you don’t want them in a dangerous position .( New builds tend to have sockets around 1200mm above floor level.)

Yes indeed. But that gets translated as 1200mm from top or bottom or mid of socket by different people too, so you can not win!

That was before heights were mentioned as "one way of achieving by mounting heights" by the way (Part M etc).
Since then, more people probably assume it is to the top of the socket.

 

[foxhole]

Yes indeed. But that gets translated as 1200mm from top or bottom or mid of socket by different people too, so you can not win!

That was before heights were mentioned as "one way of achieving by mounting heights" by the way (Part M etc).
Since then, more people probably assume it is to the top of the socket.

It’s to top of socket.

 

[EFLImpudence]

It's just a recommendation from someone.

The answer to Tingley's thread title is - within reason - "It's up to you; it's your house".

 

[ebee]

It's just a recommendation from someone.

The answer to Tingley's thread title is - within reason - "It's up to you; it's your house".

Yes spot on answer there it certainly is.
and as I hinted any 1200mm or whatever is purely someone`s recommendation, it is not fixed in stone (or in the regs or any laws). Also as I hinted, that figure was judged as top/middle/bottom by many too, so not even a recommendation that was actually fixed in any sense either.

In my house I have two adjacent rooms with dado rails, both different heights slightly and both fitted the opposite way up from each other..
Well the thing is, for the first one I asked S W M B O where she wanted it for height, then which way up. Although I pointed out one certain way up was the usual the majority preferred I did say the choice was hers. She chose according to her liking and where the two differing wallpapers would look best to her and easier for her to paper to.
The choice was hers, I only did as I was told.
Over the years, a number of people have commented, many of them said "you have it the wrong way up!" I countered "No it isn`t, it was wanted as this way up, therefore it is the only correct way in this room, nowhere else is correct".
A few years later, she decided the second room would have one the "normal" way up and slightly lower.
I must admit, I am glad we never fitted picture rails in either room though, they might have been anywhere and there was some in each room when we got the house.
Like most things in life, it boils down to a matter of personal preferences to a large degree usually, only becoming "right or wrong" at extremes depending on usage and/or safety.

One man`s absurd is another man`s work of art.