Soldier F.

[morqthana]

That is true, but the British army in Ulster is not an army of occupation.

OK.

But it still does not have any legal right to wilfully murder people.

 

[morqthana]

They did what was right at the time. Used enough force to control a baying mob.

They shot unarmed civilians in the back who were running away.

They shot wounded people lying on the ground who were trying to crawl away.

They shot people who had gone to help rescue the wounded.

They shot a man who had gone to help rescue the wounded AND WHO WAS WAVING A WHITE FLAG.

They lost all sense of military discipline.

They opened fire with the intention to kill and did not act in lawful self-defence.


Be told.

 

[Vinty]

No, they weren't.

They were there because of the terrorism of groups such as the UVF.

Try reading the truth: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Troubles#1960–1969




It was only after the deployment of the British army that the Provisional IRA split from the Official one, and began their campaign against what they saw as an army of colonial occupation.

If the army hadn't been there, and not given the supporters of armed struggle within the IRA an enemy to fight, would the Provos have split off?

We'll never know, but please don't keep stating the falsehood that the army was there because of the IRA when the timeline is that the Provisional IRA arrived after the British troops.

What would have happened if the hadn't been there.

 

[fillyboy]

Palestine is a separate state from Israel.
N.Ireland is part of the UK.
Look it up.

Palestine isn't a state. Look it up.

 

[Vinty]

You're welcome to your opinion, even if it is wrong.

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/files/time_to_deal_with_the_past_0.pdf

https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/78677/html/

More civilian deaths were attributed to Loyalist forces:

So which side was killing innocent civilians?

The figures speak for themselves. In N.Ireland 90% of deaths were caused by terrorists.
In Gaza over 90% of deaths were caused by the Israeli army.

The British army and the Police
have record to be proud of in N.Ireland.
They saved 1000's of lives by degrading the terrorists operational effectiveness.

They may have lost the plot on occasion and done things they shouldn't but what amazes people was their restraint in the face of almost inhuman provocation from the terrorists.

 

[Vinty]

Palestine isn't a state. Look it up.

It is now isn't it.

 

[fillyboy]

It is now isn't it.

No.

 

[Highway Man]

OK.

But it still does not have any legal right to wilfully murder people.

So in other words your reply of simply OK, you mean you was wrong and not just OK. Let’s be specific and not simply skate over this fact.

 

[Highway Man]

Once you have permission to fire at an enemy you are allowed to kill them. It's kind of the point. But if they surrender, or are incapacitated then you lose the permission to kill them.

Not strictly true.

 

[morqthana]

Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and other Conservative politicians publicly described the ANC as a "terrorist organization" and referred to Nelson Mandela as a terrorist.

She was quite happy to cosy up to Augusto Pinochet though, a man who toppled an elected government by force and went on to kill and torture 10's of thousands of people.

 

[morqthana]

So in other words your reply of simply OK, you mean you was wrong and not just OK. Let’s be specific and not simply skate over this fact.

I'll reword it for you.

That is true, but the British army in Ulster is not an army of occupation.

Whether you regard it as that is of no relevance, because whatever the reason is for it being there, it does not have any legal right to wilfully murder people.

OK?

 

[morqthana]

What would have happened if the hadn't been there.

If the army hadn't been there, and not given the supporters of armed struggle within the IRA an enemy to fight, would the Provos have split off?

We'll never know.

But they did not go there because of the IRA - they went there because of "loyalist" terrorism.

 

[Highway Man]

I'll reword it for you.



Whether you regard it as that is of no relevance, because whatever the reason is for it being there, it does not have any legal right to wilfully murder people.

OK?

You were wrong then.

 

[morqthana]

They may have lost the plot on occasion and done things they shouldn't but what amazes people was their restraint in the face of almost inhuman provocation from the terrorists.

So were the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association terrorists, provoking them, when on 5 October 1968 RUC officers surrounded marchers and beat them indiscriminately and without provocation, injuring over 100 people?

4th January 1969, 4 January - A People's Democracy march between Belfast and Derry was repeatedly attacked by loyalists. At Burntollet it was ambushed by 200 loyalists and off-duty police (RUC) officers armed with iron bars, bricks and bottles. The marchers claimed that police did little to protect them. When the march arrived in Derry it was broken up by the RUC. That night, RUC officers went on a rampage in the Bogside area of Derry; attacking Catholic homes, attacking and threatening residents, and hurling sectarian abuse. Who were the terrorists provoking the RUC there?

19 April 1969 - During clashes with civil rights marchers in Derry, RUC officers entered the house of an uninvolved Catholic civilian, Samuel Devenny, and beat him, along with two of his daughters. One of the daughters was beaten unconscious as she lay recovering from surgery. Devenny suffered a heart attack and died on 17 July from his injuries. Who were the terrorists provoking the RUC there?

13 July 1969 During clashes with nationalists throwing stones at an Orange Hall in Dungiven, RUC officers beat Francis McCloskey, a Catholic civilian (aged 67). He died of his injuries the next day. What terrorist provocation did he engage in, which justified the forces of law and order beating him to death?

All this happened before the Provisional IRA existed.

14th August 1969, the British army was deployed to N.I. It would be another 3 months before the Provisional IRA came into being.

 

[morqthana]

You were wrong then.

Not at all.

There was an inquest into the deaths of those killed by the British army that day.

This is what the coroner said at the conclusion:

This Sunday became known as Bloody Sunday and bloody it was. It was quite unnecessary. It strikes me that the Army ran amok that day and shot without thinking what they were doing. They were shooting innocent people. These people may have been taking part in a march that was banned but that does not justify the troops coming in and firing live rounds indiscriminately. I would say without hesitation that it was sheer, unadulterated murder. It was murder.

We all know that you DGAS about the truth, but even you know that it won't go away no matter how persistently you deny it.