logical step for Labour is to reverse Brexit

[accelerator]

Odd but I don't recall anything affecting me that wasn't British law.

And any tangible benefits of Brexit?

Yes, we don't have people in Brussels making decrees that we have to follow. I don't really spend much time on politics, I can't say I've forensically analysed the impact of Brexit, all I am interested in is the principal, and that is that the people making the rules for where I live are also from where I live, not hundreds of miles away and having never lived here.

 

[Notch7]

Just look at the budget....

I’m sorry I can’t see which elements of the budget will make people “far worse off”

Which of these is going to affect ordinary citizens badly:

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Yes, we don't have people in Brussels making decrees that we have to follow. I don't really spend much time on politics, I can't say I've forensically analysed the impact of Brexit, all I am interested in is the principal, and that is that the people making the rules for where I live are also from where I live, not hundreds of miles away and having never lived here.

Yep, typical Brexiteer type response.

I don't have a problem with you looking at it like that, I just don't understand why you didn't want the benefits and are happy with the consequences, when it's obviously worse for the economy

 

[accelerator]

we have far more government and civil service as a result of brexit

I don't know whether this is true, but they are all British, so that's fine by me. We do not have an additional layer of government above us, and that's how it should be. Government should always be as local as possible. The more local it is, the more effective, appropriate and responsive it is.

 

[aveatry]

Labour have:
Given public sector workers a pay rise.

Which was part of the "black hole" and they have come back for more as predicted.

Increased min wage

Leading to more unemployment and inflation

Strengthened workers rights

Which they have just reversed on

Renters rights act helping renters

Result - increased rents

Cut net migration to 200,000

Due to more people leaving the country.

I’m not sure how you come up with the claim of “far worse off”

 

[accelerator]

Yep, typical Brexiteer type response.

I don't have a problem with you looking at it like that, I just don't understand why you didn't want the benefits and are happy with the consequences, when it's obviously worse for the economy

Yes I guess I am a typical Brexiteer, but that is fine by me.

I am 100% happy with Brexit, it's exactly what I wanted. If the economy is bad, that's up to us to sort out, by ourselves.

 

[fillyboy]

In fact, it's been wonderful. If you think I want some person who doesn't even live in this country telling me what to do, you are wrong.

Any examples of that?

The Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties?

 

[Mottie]

Reform party have said they would:

Cut public services substantially - which would discriminate against the poorest in society

Farage has said “too many disabled people are on benefits” - so that potentially means disabled people losing their benefits

Farage has at various times talked about an insurance based model for NHS - not good for poor people

Farage has talked about cutting workers rights - not great for people

Farage has talked about cutting taxes for the wealthy - which means less tax revenue for public services

Farage has talked about deporting people here in leave to remain - discriminatory

Any proof of that?

 

[Notch7]

Yes, we don't have people in Brussels making decrees that we have to follow. I don't really spend much time on politics, I can't say I've forensically analysed the impact of Brexit, all I am interested in is the principal, and that is that the people making the rules for where I live are also from where I live, not hundreds of miles away and having never lived here.

That is not actually true, UK had 73 MEPs that did live here.

Over the last 40+ years U.K. has privatised so much stuff, lots of which has ended up in the hands of foreign private equity…..that’s powerful people making decisions over this country we have no control over.

 

[Notch7]

Any proof of that?

All of those things have either been in Reforms manifesto or mentioned by Reform leaders.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties?

Don't think we veto'd or voted against them, did we?

So we weren't told what to do, were we ?

 

[accelerator]

Over the last 40+ years U.K. has privatised so much stuff, lots of which has ended up in the hands of foreign private equity…..that’s powerful people making decisions over this country we have no control over.

Yes, something should be done about that too.

 

[Notch7]

The Maastricht and Lisbon Treaties?

UK retained 99% control of its finances, majority of its domestic politics, majority of its laws.



Brexit has lead to British citizens having less freedoms

 

[Notch7]

Yes, something should be done about that too.

Reform would make it much worse

 

[fillyboy]

UK retained 99% control of its finances,

Rubbish.

majority of its domestic politics, majority of its laws.

So we retained more that 50% of domestic policy and laws. Ouch.