Mandelson

[festive]

What did you expect from an economy saddled with Covid furlough and austerity debt? The underlying economic problems of the country aren’t cured because the right wing vote temporarily shifts to Labor

Stop this starmerite talking next youll be saying '22 billion...'
Was the Mandelson/Epstein issue also to blame on previous governments because they hadn't tightened the vetting and selection process to stop numpties abusing it?

The lack of trust is ALL of his own doings now, not 22billion, not austerity, not Brexit or Covid, this is all based on HIS actions now, HIS U-turns HIS naivity around thinking he can hoodwink the public, his wrong decisions on the OAPs on the 'extreme right wings' 'stop the dingy suppliers' 'stop the engine suppliers' Angela Rayner... Rachel Reeves from accounts and that fking embarrassment Lammy. etc etc i think the problem is he's so used to twisting truth in a court of law he thinks he can do the same in his current day job. Doesn't work like that.

The same happened with Boris he thought he could stand up and waffle and get away with it (albeit in a different more flippant style) You can see Starmer actually believes everything he says no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

Going back to...earlier today for example.

"Starmer says: "In this country, we will not look away, we will not shrug our shoulders."

Ok...lets just hold that thought. He literally looked away and shrugged his shoulders over the Mandelson vetting after knowing Mandelson was still in contact and staying over his house etc?

Just for the record yes i don't like Labour i am not a fan. My no.1 dislike is their interpretation of socialism. That will never sit right with me.

I am not the greatest fan of Tories or Reform(although i nod the most at their 'manifesto' despite most of the parties manifestos are literally 'flyers' which mostly do no represent reality.
Lib dems i detest.

 

[Murdochcat]

What did you expect from an economy saddled with Covid furlough and austerity debt? The underlying economic problems of the country aren’t cured because the right wing vote temporarily shifts to Labor

Nice try. Changing the subject isn’t going to help

 

[festive]

Nice try. Changing the subject isn’t going to help

Whataboutery indeed.

 

[transam]

Plenty of politicians / former ministers have probably been on the make using contacts and info they acquired whilst in office

Nothing new imo
Never liked the bloke but
Imo this Mandelson caper has gone a bit OTT

Listening to some of the reactions / comments from some MP s well er blimey they need to get a grip with there cringy OTT comments and concentrate on issues that are relevant to the majority of peoples lives

Not Mandelson parading around in his under pants

 

[blup]

Stop this starmerite talking next youll be saying '22 billion...'
Was the Mandelson/Epstein issue also to blame on previous governments because they hadn't tightened the vetting and selection process to stop numpties abusing it?

The lack of trust is ALL of his own doings now, not 22billion, not austerity, not Brexit or Covid, this is all based on HIS actions now, HIS U-turns HIS naivity around thinking he can hoodwink the public, his wrong decisions on the OAPs on the 'extreme right wings' 'stop the dingy suppliers' 'stop the engine suppliers' Angela Rayner... Rachel Reeves from accounts and that fking embarrassment Lammy. etc etc i think the problem is he's so used to twisting truth in a court of law he thinks he can do the same in his current day job. Doesn't work like that.

The same happened with Boris he thought he could stand up and waffle and get away with it (albeit in a different more flippant style) You can see Starmer actually believes everything he says no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

Going back to...earlier today for example.

"Starmer says: "In this country, we will not look away, we will not shrug our shoulders."

Ok...lets just hold that thought. He literally looked away and shrugged his shoulders over the Mandelson vetting after knowing Mandelson was still in contact and staying over his house etc?

Just for the record yes i don't like Labour i am not a fan. My no.1 dislike is their interpretation of socialism. That will never sit right with me.

I am not the greatest fan of Tories or Reform(although i nod the most at their 'manifesto' despite most of the parties manifestos are literally 'flyers' which mostly do no represent reality.
Lib dems i detest.

You voted Labor as well then

 

[blup]

Nice try. Changing the subject isn’t going to help

Voting for Starmmer before the election and complaining about him after are the same subject

 

[Murdochcat]

Voting for Starmmer before the election and complaining about him after are the same subject

I was purely commenting about Starmers inability to be honest

 

[transam]

This madelson receiving money from Epstein
Stating he does

Do Not recall


No Recollection

Etc

He was slated for saying it

Actually it’s the most sensible answer he could have given imo ??

 

[blup]

I was purely commenting about Starmers inability to be honest

His election pledges and subsequent policy changes are quite different from personal conversations with Mandleson

 

[Murdochcat]

His election pledges and subsequent policy changes are quite different from personal conversations with Mandleson

I have not commented on either of those points in this thread

 

[blup]

I have not commented on either of those points in this thread

Your reference to his honesty is substantially a reference to his changes in policy after making election pledges.

 

[Vinty]

Someone who lies once will lie a thousand times.
So why all the fuss about Mandelson, Starmer knew about his past, yet he says he believed him when he said he hardly knew Epstein.
The Intelligence services must have a file on Mandelson as a risk to national security, they must have known what he was up to in his private life.
Hard to believe that Starmer didn't know the truth about Mandelson and Epstein.

 

[blup]

Someone who lies once will lie a thousand times.

That’s not the same as assuming someone who lies once is always a liar. Otherwise we’re all dsmned.

So why all the fuss about Mandelson, Starmer knew about his past, yet he says he believed him when he said he hardly knew Epstein.

It was precisely his past i.e. his network of contacts which appealed to the PM. The new Ambassador was going to be supping with devils in Washington.That doesn’t mean the PM knew about the Mandypants pic or the backhanders from Epsteen. There was enough information to not appoint him in the first place, but nothing of the kind being revealed now.

The Intelligence services must have a file on Mandelson as a risk to national security, they must have known what he was up to in his private life.

Don’t think it’s that black and white

Hard to believe that Starmer didn't know the truth about Mandelson and Epstein.

It depends what you mean by the truth. If you mean knowledge of the full range of Epsteens evil, then if the PM knew, many more, across all political parties, must have known. That’s why it’s important that Trumpf’s team is held to account over the files.

 

[Vinty]

.That doesn’t mean the PM knew about the Mandypants pic or the backhanders from Epsteen

He should have known, that's why the UK has an intelligence service.
Starmer knew about Mandelsons history of corruption and deceit, so he should not have taken anything Mandelson told him at face value.
Trump said he liked Mandelson, that alone should have been a red flag.Lol.

 

[blup]

He should have known, that's why the UK has an intelligence service.

The same intelligence service that identified Irack as an imminent threat? They don't monitor emails going back 20 years. Mandypants wouldn't have double crossed Bliar in the way he did Broon and now the PM.

Starmer knew about Mandelsons history of corruption and deceit,

That's most MP's remember the expenses scandal? Corbin was the lowest claimant.

so he should not have taken anything Mandelson told him at face value.
Trump said he liked Mandelson, that alone should have been a red flag.Lol.

Trumpf red flags=people he likes and people he doesn't like.