Sorry, but this is important.

[pete01]

Good for nurse Peggie, why should she have to get changed in front of a man.

Transgender doctor embroiled in changing room row leaves the NHS

Dr Beth Upton, a biological male who identifies as a woman, was taken to a tribunal by nurse Sandie Peggie after she complained she was uncomfortable sharing a dressing room.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[JohnD]

That's a question for the Billy Morqthana team.

 

[pete01]

Its just not right....

 

[JohnD]

Unlike billy and morqthana, I took the trouble to follow the case.

You can tell they didn't, because they refuse to accept some of the agreed facts included in the judgement

For example


62. The second respondent is about six feet tall. The claimant is about five
feet four inches tall.


65. There are two rooms used by most staff working at the department to
change into and out of work clothing at the start and end of each shift, one
for males and one for females. Each has a sign on the door. The sign for
the female changing room states “female staff only”. It is located in an area
of the department to which access is gained by swipe card given only to
staff


137. At very approximately the same time the claimant who was working at a
computer, noticed that she had had heavy menstrual bleeding, was
concerned that it might be visible to others and wished to change her
clothing. The claimant walked to the female changing room to change.
She kept spare clothing in her locker there. She intended to change her
clothes in the toilet cubicle within the changing room.

141. The claimant told the second respondent that she did not think that it was
appropriate for the second respondent to use the changing room. She
explained that she felt intimidated because of the presence of the second
respondent, who she said was a man, in the women’s changing room, that
the second respondent could not be in it, it was wrong, and lots of others
felt that way. The second respondent said that the second respondent was
very sorry she felt intimidated but had been told that the second
respondent could change there. The claimant said that she had no
problem with the second respondent, that she understood that the second
respondent was going through some process but the second respondent
was not a woman and could not be in there.

142. At some point during the conversation [precisely when was not identified
in the evidence] the second respondent moved from the area by the sink
to collect the second respondent’s bag. The second respondent walked
around the claimant to do so, after which the second respondent was
closer to the door than the claimant was.

 

[JohnD]

Transactivists portray this, not as a man in a women's changing room, but as a verbal assault on the man, whom they claim is a woman.

 

[pete01]

What is going on.

Darlington nurses refuse to accept apology from NHS trust in trans row

The health trust, which was found to have 'violated the dignity' of the nurses, has finally apologised after battling the women for two-and-a-half years.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[King Billy]

The description of Upton's behaviour is accurate, and not dismissed.

The allegations made against her were dismissed.
It is only your opinion that the description of her conduct was accurate. Were you there?

His behaviour was reprehensible.

Were you there?
How did you decide that Nurse Peggie's description carried more weight than Dr Upton's?
Was it based on something like this perhaps:

... "a person I don't like supports women's rights therefore I deny the facts."

 

[JohnD]

Good for nurse Peggie, why should she have to get changed in front of a man.

Transgender doctor embroiled in changing room row leaves the NHS

Dr Beth Upton, a biological male who identifies as a woman, was taken to a tribunal by nurse Sandie Peggie after she complained she was uncomfortable sharing a dressing room.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Perhaps you will be shocked to learn that this is the man whom morqthana posted a photo of (wearing lipstick) and suggested that he was pretty enough that he should be allowed access to women's changing rooms.

How many such people are there? Are there any outside the swivel-eyed of the right-wing media.

This is the reality of what a trans woman who wants to use womens facilities looks like:

 

[JohnD]

The allegations made against her were dismissed.
It is only your opinion that the description of her conduct was accurate. Were you there?

Were you there?
How did you decide that Nurse Peggie's description carried more weight than Dr Upton's?
Was it based on something like this perhaps:

Foolish Billy continues in ignorance since he has not read the Agreed Facts.

Unlike him, I read the transcript of the Tribunal.

 

[King Billy]

Mrs Rowling did not give evidence.

I don't know what you hope to gain by posting transparent lies.

No-one suggested she did. But you have adopted the kind of fiction she would have written about the incident. And then you trotted out those lies presented as facts.

 

[JohnD]

No-one suggested she did. But you have adopted the kind of fiction she would have written about the incident. And then you trotted out those lies presented as facts.

The lies are not bring told by me.

You are at liberty to look up the facts, like I did.

In the unlikely event that you care about them.

 

[pete01]

Billy, if your wife had some womens problems and she wanted a female doctor, would you/she really be happy with a transgender doctor?

 

[JohnD]

The fiction trotted out by J K Rowling, you mean?
There was no such court consideration about that fiction J K Rowling concocted.

She didn't.

No-one suggested she did. But you have adopted the kind of fiction she would have written about the incident. And then you trotted out those lies presented as facts.

No-one but you?

 

[King Billy]

Good for nurse Peggie, why should she have to get changed in front of a man.

She's still a woman despite your denials of her gender.
Most of the other female medical staff were not bothered, and accepted her in her adopted gender.
There was only one female worker who objected to her presence.

Based on the employment tribunal proceedings regarding Sandie Peggie v NHS Fife and Dr Beth Upton, it was primarily one specific nurse, Sandie Peggie, who formally objected to and reported her discomfort with sharing a changing room with Dr. Upton, leading to her suspension.
While Ms. Peggie claimed in the tribunal that "other female members of staff had expressed discomfort" with the arrangement, the published summaries of the case and the legal actions focused on her individual objections and subsequent complaints.

 

[JohnD]

Foolish Billy continues in ignorance since he has not read the Agreed Facts.

Unlike him, I read the transcript of the Tribunal.

I found it quite appalling.