Indentured White Servants Were Treated Worse than Black Slaves in the West Indies

[John Smith Esq.]

Are we talking about the Simon Webb video. He was trying to minimise the suffering of black slaves. And I know from previous videos that he is not a proper historian. Critiquing him does not make me inhumane.

The rest of you post is a bit confusing. What have I written which makes you think I resent other white people and am 'dependent' on them.

He wasn't trying to minimise anything. He was comparing the outcomes of two systems of labour.

You have attacked his credibility because he has drawn attention to ideas or perspectives that you don't like. You haven't provided any argument of your own to explain why you think he is wrong, and you certainly haven't critiqued him. Nor have you provided a contrary perspective from what you consider to be a more valid, qualified / peer reviewed historian. You have merely attacked the man in a lazy attempt to dismiss what he was drawing attention to.

Your posts stink of woke, anti-white rhetoric and you come across as being a benefits claiming fantasist.

 

[StephenStephen]

Britain banned slavery across the world and devoted men and ships to fighting it. To the annoyance of many countries. This country also took on massive debts to compensate the slave owners affected - in other words, the British public paid massive sums of money to free slaves. We were still paying off that debt until recently.

Have we ever been thanked for this? Nope. In fact, certain lazy grifters want more money from us, but curiously, not Arab or other countries who would laugh in their faces.

Are you seriously suggesting that we should feel good about paying money to slavers, whilst feeling ok about not compensating people that we held in slavery?

 

[John Smith Esq.]

Are you seriously suggesting that we should feel good about paying money to slavers, whilst feeling ok about not compensating people that we held in slavery?

Speak for yourself, I've never owned slaves.

The main problem with slavery is that the slave is not free. If people have paid a lot of money for a slave to have freedom, when they didn't even need to and didn't profit at all, except in the moral sense, then I'd say that is something for the liberated individual to be grateful for and for the liberators to be proud of.

It is a lot more than the African and Arab slave owners have ever paid.

 

[StephenStephen]

Speak for yourself, I've never owned slaves.

The main problem with slavery is that the slave is not free. If people have paid a lot of money for a slave to have freedom, when they didn't even need to and didn't profit at all, except in the moral sense, then I'd say that is something for the liberated individual to be grateful for and for the liberators to be proud of.

It is a lot more than the African and Arab slave owners have ever paid.

It's frankly hard to know where to start with addressing this confusion...

Maybe let's take any other kind of abuse - are you really suggesting that we should feel good about about compensating any other kind of abuser for no longer being able to abuse, whilst not compensating those who are abused?

 

[SPLINE]

On reparations.... we have had Africans and West Indians living in Britain now for decades, a large amount of them living off public money. The welfare bill for immigrants is said to be over a billion pounds per month currently, and that is just what they are paid directly. Add to this NHS and other public service costs, and you will see that we must have paid them TRILLIONS over the decades.

We owe them nothing. THEY owe US.

 

[MNW67]

He wasn't trying to minimise anything. He was comparing the outcomes of two systems of labour.

You have attacked his credibility because he has drawn attention to ideas or perspectives that you don't like. You haven't provided any argument of your own to explain why you think he is wrong, and you certainly haven't critiqued him. Nor have you provided a contrary perspective from what you consider to be a more valid, qualified / peer reviewed historian. You have merely attacked the man in a lazy attempt to dismiss what he was drawing attention to.

Your posts stink of woke, anti-white rhetoric and you come across as being a benefits claiming fantasist.

If instead he had just done a straight forward piece about the terrible conditions of white indentured servants, then that would have been interesting, and I would maybe have enjoyed it. But that was not his purpose here. It was to further his obsession with minimising the horror of the slave trade.

This man clearly has an agenda and he cherry picks information all the time. His language is awful. Comparing black slaves to animals. Referring to 'the negro'. Trying to excuse the slave trade on the grounds that the slaves had to be kidnapped and hauled across the Atlantic because otherwise the ships would go back empty. At every stage he is dehumanising and minimising the suffering of the black slaves.

I enjoyed the ad hominem at the end of your post, though

 

[SPLINE]

If you work for a living in modern Britain you are effectively a slave, working about nine tenths of your week just to transfer money to foreigners before you get your pittance to live on.

 

[John Smith Esq.]

It's frankly hard to know where to start with addressing this confusion...

Maybe let's take any other kind of abuse - are you really suggesting that we should feel good about about compensating any other kind of abuser for no longer being able to abuse, whilst not compensating those who are abused?

Your analogy doesn't work since it is inconceivable that we would ever compensate a paedo, for example.

Slavery wasn't considered abuse by most people in the world, especially amongst Africans and Arabs. A handful of English moral crusaders were against it and fought to end it.

90% of the slaves taken to the Americas by Europeans, were already slaves. Their African and Arab owners were using their slaves as currency to purchase goods from the likes of Britain, whose child labour force, losing limbs in primitive factories, were producing goods that they wanted. Those slaves would then be taken to the plantations and exchanged for raw materials that were taken to the hellish factories in England, where the malnourished, diseased and badly treated workers spent two thirds of their lives.

If you start trying to compensate dead people for their historic suffering, you will go bankrupt very quickly. And it is arrogant, and indeed very white, of you to assume the role of God in this time travelling mission. Only certain people, who have never been slaves, are demanding compo, and only certain others talk seriously about paying up. Most of us understand that it is a grift and a total waste of money.

 

[John Smith Esq.]

If instead he had just done a straight forward piece about the terrible conditions of white indentured servants, then that would have been interesting, and I would maybe have enjoyed it.

"Enjoyed it"? You're even worse than I thought.

 

[MNW67]

"Enjoyed it"? You're even worse than I thought.

Don't be silly.

I meant I might have enjoyed it as in finding it interesting and informative. I always 'enjoy' a good documentary, even if the subject matter is horrible. That is if I could tune out the presenter's extremely annoying presenting style.

 

[King Billy]

Interesting fact about Hull, it was Wiilliam Wilberforce that had slavery abolished. I have visited his house many times and seen the slavery trade artifacts which are really interesting.

He didn't 'have slavery abolished', but he was a leading campaigner for it to abolished.
His campaigning resulted in the abolition of slaves being bought or sold throughout the British colonies. It didn't free those already enslaved.
He had a Damascene conversion and an almost total reversal of his previous beliefs. Although he continued to support social reforms internationally, his support for domestic political and regressive legislation continued.
He only became a leading campaigner for the abolition of slavery after being in contact with other abolitionists who persuaded him to take a leading role.

I think this is how the lefty's will end up, slaves to the right wing.

What!!
11 million of them transported across thousands of miles of ocean in such shocking conditions that 1.5 million never survived?

Wishful thinking on your part?

 

[King Billy]

Britain banned slavery across the world and devoted men and ships to fighting it.

They did not ban slavery across the world.
They made it illegal for the buying and selling of slaves throughout the Britain and her colonies. Already enslaved people were not affected.
And because the children of slaves were born into slavery, they were not bought or sold, so slavery continued.
Slavery in USA was not abolished until about 60 years after the William Wilberforce Bill of 1807

This country also took on massive debts to compensate the slave owners affected - in other words, the British public paid massive sums of money to free slaves. We were still paying off that debt until recently.

80% of Britain's wealth was derived from the slave trade.
The slave owners, those who profited from the slaves, were compensated, but the slaves, living or dead, that were the victims of slavery, were never compensated, and they have endured discrimination ever since.

 

[King Billy]

'Peer reviewing' and 'Fact checking' are left-wing concepts that have appeared only recently.

In response to the fake garbage spewed out by right wingers.

 

[King Billy]

Are we talking about the Simon Webb video. He was trying to minimise the suffering of black slaves. And I know from previous videos that he is not a proper historian. Critiquing him does not make me inhumane.

The rest of you post is a bit confusing. What have I written which makes you think I resent other white people and am 'dependent' on them.

Parrots are just animals that mimic the sounds they hear. They have no concept of what their sounds mean.
So it's rather pointless asking them to explain themselves.

 

[King Billy]

We owe them nothing. THEY owe US.

"Deranged" is the most appropriate word I can think of to describe your comment.