Starmer's learning...

[ellal]

To fight dirty...

"garbage and deform have promised to use extensive secondary legislation—specifically statutory instruments—as part of a major overhaul of UK law if they come to power. Their proposals, part of a "contract" with the British people rather than a traditional manifesto, focus on using these legal mechanisms to bypass lengthy parliamentary debates on issues such as immigration and human rights"

Strange how they don't like it when the boot is on the other foot...

"Sir Keir Starmer is planning a law which will mean that the UK government can adopt EU single market rules, without a normal parliamentary vote"

"They would be put through using secondary legislation - which normally can't be amended, and is usually rubber stamped without a vote"


On hearing that, garbage will no doubt have gone a very dark shade of gammon

"deform fuhrer garbage vowed to oppose the legislation "every step of the way",

 

[Mottie]

Doesn’t matter what Starmer does, Reform will cancel it when they get in.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

I voted Leave, but I think that going along with the Single Market rules makes total sense for us, as a neighbour to the EU who does a lot of trade with them.

But... this absolutely must be with the approval of parliament. What's he scared of? He's got a massive majority, getting it voted through shouldn't be an issue. I suspect he's trying to tie us to following the EU rules in perpetuity regardless of the future government, which is just anti-democratic.

Also, voted or not, we must be able to opt out of any future rule changes, it would be very much like the EU to deliberately introduce rules that are intended to cripple us, if we set ourselves up to automatically adopt future rules. E.g. we must let the French steal all our fish forever.

It's really sad how political discussion seems to divide into pro-EU at all costs or anti-EU at all costs. Surely there's a sensible middle line that both Starmer and Farage are miles away from?

 

[King Billy]

It's really sad how political discussion seems to divide into pro-EU at all costs or anti-EU at all costs. Surely there's a sensible middle line that both Starmer and Farage are miles away from?

Says the man who has just suggested opening the workhouse for the poor, and sending debtors to prison.

 

[SPLINE]

Says the man who has just suggested opening the workhouse for the poor, and sending debtors to prison.

What about the children?.....

THE POOR STARVING CHILDREN!

 

[Deluks]

It's really sad how political discussion seems to divide into pro-EU at all costs or anti-EU at all costs. Surely there's a sensible middle line that both Starmer and Farage are miles away from?

Brexit is still very divisive, and people still label themselves as 'remainers' or 'leavers', when really they should now be called 'remainers' (remain outside of the EU) or 'joiners'
I'm a remainer btw...

 

[ellal]

Doesn’t matter what Starmer does, Reform will cancel it when they get in.

Haven't you noticed, but the tide is turning back against the RW nutjobs...

Of course you haven't noticed, since you are wedded to a failed ideology!

And fyi secondary legislation can only be reversed by a court through judicial review and only it is deemed unlawful...

Problem is garbage has promised to get rid of the human rights act, and that is what holds up the whole concept of a judicial review...

Try a bit of joined up thinking - it enlightens the mind

 

[ellal]

Brexit is still very divisive, and people still label themselves as 'remainers' or 'leavers', when really they should now be called 'remainers' (remain outside of the EU) or 'joiners'
I'm a remainer btw...

Actually it is much simpler than that...

Those who voted to remain in the EU have been proved to be right...

Those who voted to leave the EU have been proved to be wrong...

That's why the majority in the UK now deem brexit to have become the predicted failure...

And that's why the tide is turning!

 

[blup]

I voted Leave, but I think that going along with the Single Market rules makes total sense for us, as a neighbour to the EU who does a lot of trade with them.

This is post is threatening to be sensible

But... this absolutely must be with the approval of parliament.

Henry the Eighth clauses were used on an industrial scale by Borris after brexhit, it was how it “got done”

What's he scared of? He's got a massive majority, getting it voted through shouldn't be an issue.

He’s scared of nothing, it makes practical sense to delegate the negotiation. Unlike the dumb toreys who thought that the will of the people overrode the need for any kind of legislation to effect brexhit

I suspect he's trying to tie us to following the EU rules in perpetuity regardless of the future government, which is just anti-democratic.

His majority will ensure it will go through via either primary or secondary legislation. Far rage buggrrs off from the HoC most of the time anyway, and will carry out his attacks from the third chamber aka the g b news studios

Also, voted or not, we must be able to opt out of any future rule changes,

We demonstrated we had sovereignty via the referendum.

it would be very much like the EU to deliberately introduce rules that are intended to cripple us,

We’ve managed that on our own

if we set ourselves up to automatically adopt future rules. E.g. we must let the French steal all our fish forever.

Apart from the ones Borris gave up you mean

It's really sad how political discussion seems to divide into pro-EU at all costs or anti-EU at all costs. Surely there's a sensible middle line that both Starmer and Farage are miles away from?

The mad post brexhit world is entirely of Farrages making. Starmy’s doing this to get his remain supporters out at the locals. Whatever his motives it’s a sensible move.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

Starmer's over and finished, whatever stunts he pulls.

He's trying to set an irreversible path towards rejoining the EU, as his legacy before he gets the inevitable boot. That appears to be the will of his paymasters.

 

[Deluks]

Actually it is much simpler than that...

You've oversimplified it.

 

[motorbiking]

Labour have form for creating legislation that oversteps. Just look at how hard Blair worked to ensure the Human Rights Act, was hard to reform.

Fortunately almost anything done today, can be undone tomorrow with the right will.

 

[Mottie]

And that's why the tide is turning!

We'll see how much the tide has turned in the upcoming local council elections.

 

[noseall]

Fortunately almost anything done today, can be undone tomorrow with the right will.

And yet the Tories tried and failed with the HRA. Right will my arris.

 

[Mottie]

I voted Leave, but I think that going along with the Single Market rules makes total sense for us, as a neighbour to the EU who does a lot of trade with them.

And I go along with that apart from the freedom of movement bit. Nothing wrong with buying and selling stuff to each other. Why should foreign workers from the poorer EU countries have an automatic right to just come over here to work because we buy oranges from José and apples from Claude? For balance, I also don’t think British workers should be automatically be allowed to just pop over to EU countries to work because we sell them some cheddar cheese and a few Cornish pasties. The actual country should be the ones to decide what workers they want based on need, not some bureaucracy telling us we must take them.