Ginger men who now identifies as a woman.

[JohnD]

Doesn't seem right for an able bodied person to use a disabled toilet, not saying you can't.

It is not reserved exclusively for the disabled. Not all disabilities are visible.

In the building I sometimes manage, I encourage, for example, a father accompanying a small daughter, to take her into the non-specific facilities rather than into the men's or the women's ones.

Some might think that a man who believes himself to be a woman has a problem of some kind.

 

[JohnD]

Now there's an interesting question.

Let's suppose a woman, at work as a nurse, in the middle of the night, has an unexpectedly heavy period and wants to go to the women's changing room, where she feels most comfortable, and left her bag, to remove and change her clothes and underwear, and clean up.

She feels most comfortable in a reserved women's room. Not a man's room, or a multisex room.

Let's suppose a man, we'll call him Dr Uptonogood, likes going into the women's changing room wearing a bra under his overalls, and gets into a row with her when she tells him it is a women's room, and he should not be there, because he is a man.

Does the man have more right to use the women's changing room, than the woman?

He and his supporters used to say yes.

In this example, it would be hard to find anyone, other than a raving Transactivist, attempting to support the man demanding access to the women's room. Billy does.

 

[pete01]

OMG

 

[King Billy]

Funny isn't it how you can drag up posts from various dates and differet threads yet you can recall disagreeing with the law that I presented and now want me to find something that you remember. Don't make me laugh.

It isn't funny, it's just a knowledge of using an IT search function. You should learn a bit about using such IT functions.
Here is your post claiming that a man entering womens' toilets is a criminal offence. It is followed immediately by my request for you to present the source of your quote.
And yet again, as expected you disappeared into a cloud of dust.
But nonetheless, I disputed, disproved and refuted your unsupported bit of nonsense.

• Legal Position: The Equality Act 2010 allows providers to offer single-sex facilities. Following Supreme Court rulings, "sex" in this context refers to biological sex, meaning trans women (biological males) can be restricted from women-only spaces.
• Trespass and Conduct: If a man enters a women’s toilet and is asked to leave by the provider/owner, refusal to leave is a criminal offense (trespass) under the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994.

Exclusions: Public, private, and workplace providers (e.g., shops, hospitals, gyms) can legally enforce single-sex policies, restricting access to biological women only.

Can you provide a source for your quote, please. I don't want someone's opinion on what the Equality Act does or says, especially as it is biased and not accurate. I want a reliable version of it.
I've searched for your quote, but I can't find it anywhere. I can only assume it's been cropped and clipped out of all recognition.
...

There have been several misguided, or intentionally misinterpreted 'guidelines' given by biased or unintelligent people.
The case in HWM's post is a perfect example.
It is not illegal for a male, or a transwomen to enter and use a female toilet. It never has been, and it still isn't
It's legal for a male or a transwomen to refuse to leave the toilet when asked to by another user.
When and if, and as far as I am aware there have been no cases yet, the owner or proprietor of the establishment requests a male or a transwomen to leave, it's on the grounds of trespass. which is a civil (not criminal) matter. It only becomes a criminal offence if or when a police requests the person to leave that space, and they refuse, or the confrontation escalates.

 

[King Billy]

No. There should be a trans toilet for them to use.

We need this:

Male
Female
Trans

They are neither male nor female. Give 'em their own space and let 'em get on with it.

Yes, let's recreate Apartheid for Transgender people.
We could call the special areas: male, female and other. We could go the whole way and make the Female areas clean, hygienic, warm, with all the mod cons available. While the 'other' and 'male' areas can just be a hole in the ground.
The TERFs would love that.
Now how would we enforce that Apartheid?

 

[King Billy]

Dont think it would work, what about people who identify as carrots...where they gonna pizz?

Trolls got to do what they can do because sensible debate is above and beyond their intellect.

 

[pete01]

Trolls got to do what they can do because sensible debate is above and beyond their intellect.

What you on about now? I tried yesterday to have a decent discussion with you but im a troll again?

Ppffttt.

 

[King Billy]

Yes, Nurse Pegg is a woman, and has the right to use changing rooms reserved exclusively for women.

However, Dr Upton is a man.

Dr Upton has adopted the gender of a woman, she is not a man, she and was entitled to use that area.
The fact that your fanatical religious belief refuses to accept that transgender people, intersex babies and people exist dos not change reality.
Your belief is like a Rastafarian belief that Haile Selassie was King of the Kings, the living God (Jah), the Black Messiah, and the returned Jesus Christ, doesn't make it reality.

A man does not have the right to access places that are reserved exclusively for women.

A transwomen does not have to inform their employer that they are trans, and they are protected under the EA 2010, from discrimination.
So please explain how a transwoman can be prevented from using areas reserved for females.

The hospital had an obligation to provide facilities exclusively for women, and they wrongly granted Dr Upton, a man, access to them.

They did not 'wrongly' allow a transwoman access to female space. Dr Upton is a woman. She had every right to use that area.

Since you refuse to admit that Dr Upton, who is a man, is not a woman, this does not fit into your imaginary world.

She is a transwoman, she is protected under the EA 2010 against discrimination.
Your fanatical religious belief refusing to accept that transgender people exist does not change reality.
Intersex babies and transgender people exist. your refusal to accept that does not and cannot change reality.

 

[King Billy]

Actually, most shops, offices, hospitals, public buildings, railway stations, public lavatories, restaurants, pubs and even village halls now have accessible facilities that are not sex-specific.
So there is a male toilet, a female toilet, and a non specific toilet, which is typically also available for baby changing and for disabled people, whatever their sex.

Your suggestion is busted.
Many of them require a RADAR key (National Key Scheme).

The National Key Scheme (NKS) offers disabled people independent access to locked public toilets around the country. Toilets fitted with National Key Scheme (NKS) locks can now be found in shopping centres, pubs, cafés, department stores, bus and train stations and many other locations in most parts of the country.

Important - We only sell the Genuine Radar NKS Key to people who require use of the toilet facilities due to their disability or health condition.

The official and only genuine Radar Key

The official and only genuine Radar Key. Buy your disabled toilet key from Disability Rights UK. The National Key Scheme (NKS) offers disabled people independent access to locked public toilets around the country. Toilets fitted with National Key Scheme (NKS) locks can now be found in shopping...

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In such cases, a person who, for example, is a man, and is not entitled to use the women's room, and does not want to use the mens room, can use the non-specific room.

Would you feel comfortable using a Disabled Toilet?
People use the area they feel most comfortable with. So a woman or transwoman will use the female toilets.
As shown above the disabled toilets may not be available for various reasons.
Would you, for example, be prepared to wait for maybe upto 30 minutes to use the disabled/baby changing room?

Now how will you enforce the use of women's only areas by people who have a 'Female' label on their birth certificate?
Remember, you cannot discriminate on the basis of protected characteristics.

 

[King Billy]

Doesn't seem right for an able bodied person to use a disabled toilet, not saying you can't.

From experience, the disabled tolets often need more cleaning than normal, or they are simply ignored on a cleaning schedule.
Often they are already in use. If they are, disabled people tend to need longer to use the toilet, understandably.
Often baby-changing takes an inordinately longer time than using the toilet.
Often they are larger cubicles within the single sex area.

There are multiple reasons for not using the "gender neutral" area suggested by JohnD, if it exists.

 

[King Billy]

Some might think that a man who believes himself to be a woman has a problem of some kind.

Yes, TERFs tend to have such problems because they refuse to acknowledge the existence of intersex babies, people and transgenders.
They are known to be unable to posit a biological or medical scientific argument for such irrational and illogical beliefs.
They rely on meaningless slogans, emotive accusations, strawmen arguments and ad hominem attacks.
It's difficult to understand their belief. The only rationale that stands up to scrutiny is a fanatical religious belief.

 

[King Billy]

In this example, it would be hard to find anyone, other than a raving Transactivist, attempting to support the man demanding access to the women's room. Billy does.

Strawman argument.
Please try to find an example of me supporting men demanding use of women's toilets.
If you can find one, please present it for the forum's perusal.

Your use of such strawman arguments, meaningless slogans, ad hominem attacks and emotive examples demonstrates the fragility of your arguments, and the irrationality of your beliefs.

 

[King Billy]

What you on about now? I tried yesterday to have a decent discussion with you but im a troll again?

You're not a troll 'again'. You are and will remain a troll. It's beyond your ability to change your behaviour. You've demonstrated that multiple times.
This was your latest attempt at sensible debate:

Dont think it would work, what about people who identify as carrots...where they gonna pizz?

Trolls got to do what they can do because sensible debate is above and beyond their intellect.

If you don't have anything sensible to say, you don't have to say anything.

 

[King Billy]

In the building I sometimes manage, I encourage, for example, a father accompanying a small daughter, to take her into the non-specific facilities rather than into the men's or the women's ones.

And if he insisted on taking her into the women's, how would you prevent it?

 

[pete01]

You're not a troll 'again'. You are and will remain a troll. It's beyond your ability to change your behaviour. You've demonstrated that multiple times.
This was your latest attempt at sensible debate:


If you don't have anything sensible to say, you don't have to say anything.

Oh well I tried to be reasonable....never mind.