Fitting an isolator between meter and consumer unit.

Because it was aimed at a simple DIY install and not a means of bypassing the rules that traditional solar installs go through? ... Dunno.
As we've both said, who knows.

Given that DIYers can essentially 'do what they like' without ay significant risk of getting into trouble, the concept of introducing a rule to stop people 'bypassing' (or maybe just 'ignoring') some other rule would seem a little flawed (silly and 'useless'), since if they are prepared to ignore/contravene/circumnavigate one rue, why not also the new one?
 
As we've both said, who knows.

Given that DIYers can essentially 'do what they like' without ay significant risk of getting into trouble, the concept of introducing a rule to stop people 'bypassing' (or maybe just 'ignoring') some other rule would seem a little flawed (silly and 'useless'), since if they are prepared to ignore/contravene/circumnavigate one rue, why not also the new one?
Even if you don't have new rules they could bypass the existing ones and have "plug in" solar. I don't think anyone has had any concerns about it until now. It's true that by trying to make it official, some will bend/break the rules though.
 
Even if you don't have new rules they could bypass the existing ones and have "plug in" solar.
Quite so. That was my point (and not just 'plug-in solar- it could be a full-sized roof installation) - which is why I said that introducing a new rule to stop them bypassing an old rule (which they can already ignore if such is their wish, anyway!) is seemingly a little on the 'flawed/silly' side :-)
 
Hmm, the extreme end of that is that we shouldn't have any rules/laws because some people break them anyway.

I know you don't mean that but where would it end...
 
Hmm, the extreme end of that is that we shouldn't have any rules/laws because some people break them anyway. ... I know you don't mean that but where would it end...
No, I didn't men that. You seemed to be suggesting that the main reason for a rule about 'limits' might be to discourage people from breaking some other rule - and that's what did (and still does) seem pretty daft to me!
 
No, I didn't men that. You seemed to be suggesting that the main reason for a rule about 'limits' might be to discourage people from breaking some other rule - and that's what did (and still does) seem pretty daft to me!
I think, on the whole, it is only to do with "a new, separate thing", plug in solar. The regulations stand on their own and I don't know where the breaking some other rule came from.

I'm only taking it at face value, but I'm no expert on this :)
 
I think, on the whole, it is only to do with "a new, separate thing", plug in solar. The regulations stand on their own and I don't know where the breaking some other rule came from.
It 'came from' here. Perhaps I misunderstoodyou ...
Because it was aimed at a simple DIY install and not a means of bypassing the rules that traditional solar installs go through?

I'm only taking it at face value, but I'm no expert on this :)
And I'm certainly no an expert, either - but I don't have either the need or the desire to become one and would be extremely surpised if I ever do in the future :-)
 
Because it was aimed at a simple DIY install and not a means of bypassing the rules that traditional solar installs go through?

Take out the word 'solar' and you're basically describing the plug-in garden power systems that were created to "bypass" Part P.
 
Even if you don't have new rules they could bypass the existing ones and have "plug in" solar. I don't think anyone has had any concerns about it until now. It's true that by trying to make it official, some will bend/break the rules though.

Is it a circular dependency? We didn't need the rules before we had the rules because until we had the rules plug-in solar was not a practical reality worth bothering with, but once we introduced the rules to make it a practical reality we needed the rules to regulate it?
 
It 'came from' here. Perhaps I misunderstoodyou ...
Roof panels and plug in are two different things, essentially, and not dependant on each other. One should be limited the other isn't, within reason. That's what I meant, I think...
 
Roof panels and plug in are two different things, essentially, and not dependant on each other.
Would a DIYer who isn't particularly concerned about 'obeying rules' necessarily see that distinction?

Is the fact that it is, literally, 'plugged in' either here or there? A mini system we are discussing could be hard-wired into final circuit, and a 'roof system' could be 'plugged in', provided it was no more than about 3,000 W (and that 'limit' only because oif the fuse in a BS1363 plug). To the DIYer not too concerned about rules, they are both PV systems which are connected (in one way or another) to a final circuit.
 
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Would a DIYer who isn't particularly concerned about 'obeying rules' necessarily see that distinction?
Maybe, maybe not, but I think we are going round in circles somewhat. Does that mean we shouldn't have "rules" because they might be ignored? Or do you mean the existing solar panel "rules" are fine the way the are, and sufficiently ignorable by the DIYer?
A mini system we are discussing could be hard-wired into final circuit
It always could be, by an electrician (unless the "rules" are ignored) , which isn't the same as plug in solar which has it's own product specification for safety reasons. One is a plug in microgenerator, the other is a microgenerator.
To the DIYer not too concerned about rules,
See above :)
 
Maybe, maybe not, but I think we are going round in circles somewhat. Does that mean we shouldn't have "rules" because they might be ignored? Or do you mean the existing solar panel "rules" are fine the way the are, and sufficiently ignorable by the DIYer?
No, as I said, it means that I don't see the point in introducing new rules whose main purpose is to discourage peoplefro ignoring/disobeying some other rule(s) (which I thiught was what you were suggesting) - since a person 'not too concerned about obeying rules' will presumably disobey both, if necessary ? :-)
It always could be, by an electrician (unless the "rules" are ignored) ....
... but I was talking about people who are happy to 'ignore' rules.
, which isn't the same as plug in solar which has it's own product specification for safety reasons.
...which takes me back to the question I asked which started all this. If there is a perceived 'safety reason' for the 800 W limit,what ISthat 'safety reason' ?
 

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