Advice on moving double socket to allow for radiator

[pete01]

I do miss EFLImpudence he made some good points, I especially like this one to morqthana.

 

[morqthana]

Pete - please explain how any of this:

is a problem of or by me.

 

[pete01]

Pete - please explain how any of this:

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is a problem of or by me.

I didn't say it was I just said I liked someone else's comment.

 

[morqthana]

And its relevance here is what?

 

[SUNRAY]

Not at all.




I would not be surprised to learn that what you remember is being shown that the regulations don't say what you want them to say.




So how do you connect a cable to a blanking plate accessory?

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Such stupidity.



Just screw a connector block into the back of the metal backbox and suddenly it becomes a junction box and all of a sudden it's perfectly acceptable.

If we saw one of these in the middle of a wall

Nobody, not even Flameport or mister Mindy would give it a second thought, why anybody questions a perfectly normal electrical accessory I don't understand.

 

[morqthana]

Such stupidity.

Take it up with the people who wrote the Wiring Regs. Consider what the regulations actually say.

Just screw a connector block into the back of the metal backbox and suddenly it becomes a junction box and all of a sudden it's perfectly acceptable.

Does it?

Would the cables be connected to a point, accessory or switchgear on the surface of the wall?

If we saw one of these in the middle of a wallView attachment 422866Nobody, not even Flameport or mister Mindy would give it a second thought, why anybody questions a perfectly normal electrical accessory I don't understand.

Maybe those who do are looking at what the regulations actually say.

As Eric observed not very long ago, some people have a tendency to look at regulations, and decide that they say what they want them to say, and deny the truth about what they actually say.

A blanking plate is not an accessory with a cable attached to it. Therefore it does not create any zones in which cables may be concealed.

It really does not, and that fact is made blindingly obvious if you look at what the regulations actually say, rather than assert that they say something else because you want them to.

 

[SUNRAY]

Would the cables be connected to a point, accessory or switchgear on the surface of the wall?

What question are you actually asking here,
My interpretation of your question is requiring surface mounted devices,

 

[morqthana]

What question are you actually asking here,

Seems pretty straightforward. What does it actually say?

My interpretation of your question is requiring surface mounted devices,

Sockets, switches, FCUs, etc are on the surface. The boxes enclosing the connections may be recessed, but the accessories are on the surface.

 

[SUNRAY]

Seems pretty straightforward. What does it actually say?

That's the problem, the group of us in DM's don't know what it actually says.

Sockets, switches, FCUs, etc are on the surface. The boxes enclosing the connections may be recessed, but the accessories are on the surface.

So would the blanking plate not be on the surface of a recessed box?

 

[morqthana]

That's the problem, the group of us in DM's don't know what it actually says.

So the question "Would the cables be connected to a point, accessory or switchgear on the surface of the wall?" is meaningless to you?

OK.

I'm afraid I can't think of a way to simplify it for you.

So would the blanking plate not be on the surface of a recessed box?

Does that quoted regulation talk about a point, accessory or switchgear on the surface of a recessed box, or a point, accessory or switchgear on the surface of a wall or partition?

 

[SUNRAY]

So the question "Would the cables be connected to a point, accessory or switchgear on the surface of the wall?" is meaningless to you?

OK.

I'm afraid I can't think of a way to simplify it for you.




Does that quoted regulation talk about a point, accessory or switchgear on the surface of a recessed box, or a point, accessory or switchgear on the surface of a wall or partition?

Well you can't have it both ways, either the socket is on the surface or recessed - either the blanking is on the surface or recessed. You can't pick and chose which you want it to be, the socket and the blanking plate are mounted on a recessed box in identical methods and any definition for one applies to the other.

So which is it?

 

[morqthana]

Well you can't have it both ways, either the socket is on the surface or recessed - either the blanking is on the surface or recessed. You can't pick and chose which you want it to be, the socket and the blanking plate are mounted on a recessed box in identical methods and any definition for one applies to the other.

Apart, that is, from the little matter of whether something has cables connected to it.

A socket has cables connected to it

A blanking plate does not have cables connected to it. For how long do you think you will carry on pretending that it does?

 

[SUNRAY]

Apart, that is, from the little matter of whether something has cables connected to it.

A socket has cables connected to it

A blanking plate does not have cables connected to it. For how long do you think you will carry on pretending that it does?

But suggestions have been made to convert it to a different accessory...


Oh in that case would common sense be to connect wires in the converted accessory?

 

[morqthana]

And what different accessory/ies have been suggested?

 

[SUNRAY]

And what different accessory/ies have been suggested?

Why don't you read the thread yourself?