appliance isolaters

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is it a requirement to have isolaters above kitchen worktop for built in appliances such as fridge, dishwasher & oven
 
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The regs state clearly acessable means of isolation, I'm guessing your thinking of hiding them inside your kitchen units.

Less than ideal.
 
Isolation is primarily for safety reasons and this is the primary funtion of the Main Switch in a domestic environment.

Switching off for Mechanical Maintenance doesn't apply here unless there is a danger from wiping down the fridge or dishwasher. This type of switching is not to prevent electric shock or burns.

There is no requirement for Emergency Switching or Emergency Stopping of the items you describe and if you consider that there were, that is the purpose of the Main Switch in a domestic installation.

What you are refering to is 'funtional switching' and not Isolation Switching. i.e. functional switching is the normal operation and control of an item of electrical equipment.

As it is functional switching, there aren't really any firm dos and donts regarding location as BS7671 is primari;y concerened with safety and has little to say about functional switching.
 
So an inaccesible socket without an accesible isolator is OK in your opinion then?
 
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If the appliances are built in then you should have an accessable means of isolation.
 
I don't mind discussing this gents, but please look up the definitions and associated Regs of:

Isolation
Switching off for Mechanical Maintenance
Emergency Switching
Functional Switching

In particular have a good nose through IEE Guidance Note 2 'Isolation and Switching'.
 
You will learn the correct terminology for starters so that when you talk about 'Isolation' you will in fact understand that you are probably refering to Functional Switching. When this penny drops, the fog will lift (a little).
 
Functional switching is more to do with the normal functioning of a circuit i.e. a light switch is a functional switch. It is not a form of isolation.
 
How to win friends and influence people, FR style.

Sell the book, mate - you'll make a mint......NOT.


It sounds to me mate, that given your understanding of spurs & isolation, you are a little confused.

I'd ask for your money back.
 
Secure, thanks for the flattery of following me around... :D

Unlike you, I take the issue of ELECTRICAL SAFETY very seriously. Seriously enough to know and understand the differences in Switching.
 
Functional switching is more to do with the normal functioning of a circuit i.e. a light switch is a functional switch. It is not a form of isolation.

That's reasonable for starters. Now dig in and find out what you can about 'Isolation' and Emergency Switching and apply what you learn to a Domestic Electrical installation.
 
Secure, thanks for the flattery of following me around... :D

Unlike you, I take the issue of ELECTRICAL SAFETY very seriously. Seriously enough to know and understand the differences in Switching.

Very good!

I'm not following you around. But you seem to be following a few of the guys here: First Ban - you're still trying to start an argument with him. At the moment, he's not biting, so you're trying others, like RF.

It's a very dangerous plan. To make out you are superior and no one knows as much as you. Not only that, but you literally add insult to injury by slinging insults at folk.

Just as an aside, will you lay your cards on the table and tell us your age and the number of years experience you have as a contractor?
 
Functional switching is more to do with the normal functioning of a circuit i.e. a light switch is a functional switch. It is not a form of isolation.

That's reasonable for starters. Now dig in and find out what you can about 'Isolation' and Emergency Switching and apply what you learn to a Domestic Electrical installation.

I fail to see where you are going with this, care to explain? Do you mean the main switch is the only required form of isolation in a premises? Not imo a good design if you need to switch off the whole CU in order to carry out work on a dishwasher.
 
Secure,

I suggest you keep your private thoughts to yourself. It appears that it is you who is trying 'jump' in on a thread so as to cause havoc.

If you've nothing to add to this discussion, leave it be.
 

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