THE PROOF= DIY gas work is almost always illegal

[heatingman]

Morning Driv,

The following are quotes taken from statutory document

"work" in relation to a gas fitting includes any of the following activities carried out by any person, whether an employee or not, that is to say -

(a) installing or re-connecting the fitting;

(b) maintaining, servicing, permanently adjusting, disconnecting, repairing, altering or renewing the fitting or purging it of air or gas;

(c) where the fitting is not readily movable, changing its position; and

(d) removing the fitting;


........."WORK CARRIED OUT BY ANY PERSON".............

Qualification and supervision
3. - (1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.



........"NO PERSON UNLESS COMPETANT"....................

General interpretation and application


(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.


........AND NO SELF-EMPLOYED PERSON SHALL CARRY OUT ANY SUCH WORK.......


If you do not employ someone and decide to DIY you are employing your own services and therefore working as self-employed.


The statutory document does not have profit/gain covered, its just "work" & "no person", the powers to be feel that this document is adequate control to deter work by persons unless competant.

 

[Bahco]

Thanks to the Dr for getting my thread locked!

I have enough info now and I hope this site bans DIY GAS topics!!

 

[WDIK]

Morning Driv,

The following are quotes taken from statutory document

"work" in relation to a gas fitting includes any of the following activities carried out by any person, whether an employee or not, that is to say -

(a) installing or re-connecting the fitting;

(b) maintaining, servicing, permanently adjusting, disconnecting, repairing, altering or renewing the fitting or purging it of air or gas;

(c) where the fitting is not readily movable, changing its position; and

(d) removing the fitting;


........."WORK CARRIED OUT BY ANY PERSON".............

Qualification and supervision
3. - (1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.



........"NO PERSON UNLESS COMPETANT"....................

General interpretation and application


(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.


........AND NO SELF-EMPLOYED PERSON SHALL CARRY OUT ANY SUCH WORK.......


If you do not employ someone and decide to DIY you are employing your own services and therefore working as self-employed.


The statutory document does not have profit/gain covered, its just "work" & "no person", the powers to be feel that this document is adequate control to deter work by persons unless competant.

Thankyou for that Mr Heatingman for that accurate deffinition of the word work as it appears in the statory instrument

 

[Breesey]

The statutory document does not have profit/gain covered, its just "work" & "no person", the powers to be feel that this document is adequate control to deter work by persons unless competant.

Exactly. And the spiel that DD keeps pointlessly posting is merely discussion as to whether it should be more specific. For the reasons you say here, they have decided that it does not need to be.

 

[Doctor Drivel]

Morning Driv,

Mornin' Mr Man,

The following are quotes taken from statutory document

The statutory document does not have profit/gain covered, its just "work" & "no person", the powers to be feel that this document is adequate control to deter work by persons unless competant.

Heating, it says "employed".

From HSE...

"At present we do not believe that this evidence is sufficiently strong to suggest that current legal controls (ie for competence under GSIUR regulation 3(1)) are inadequate, and an absolute ban needs to be placed on DIY."

It is very, very, clear. HSE, are a law making government agency.

They also say:

226. We understand concern about the possible risks posed by incompetent DIY gas work, but believe at present there is insufficient hard evidence of incidents to support the introduction of a legal ban.


Again, from above, they clearly say..
"but believe at present there is insufficient hard evidence of incidents to support the introduction of a legal ban."

The above two statements by the HSE clearly state:

*They do not want to introduce a ban on DIY
*They do not see DIY as a problem area

The problem with Corgi brain washed members, they assumes a DIYer is stupid and incompetent, which is a disgusting attitude to have. The law says equally both must be competent.

Corgi is nothing in the whole scale of
matters. It is a registration authority only. It's only power are to remove a member from the list and he can't work professionally. If I see a poor DIY installation and ring Corgi they will say go to the HSE, as they only deal with professionals. If it was a Corgi man who did it, they will call, and then get the HSE in to confirm safety problems. HSE are the only people relevant on safety - the ultimate authority.

HSE is responsible for the laws on safety and policing of them - NOT Corgi.

Building Regs are law.

British Standards are recommendations only. They do not need to be 100% complied with. Where the Building regs point to a BS, it is law, only in that context.

 

[heatingman]

Hi Driv

"work" in relation to a gas fitting includes any of the following activities carried out by any person, whether an employee or not, that is to say -

If you have a tradesperson in your house they are in your employe, therefore an employee, if its charity free etc or a diy it falls under the "or not" category

Does that help

 

[heatingman]

Sorry Driv,
Your using that quote as a one off

At present we do not believe that this evidence is sufficiently strong to suggest that current legal controls are inadequate, and an absolute ban needs to be placed on DIY."

When placed along side the gas regs which only allow trained, competant, qualified registered persons to work on gas.

They are still allowing the diyer to purchase, shop, haggle and bargain for the material, advice and therefore they then have the freedom and abillity to haggle and bargain and shop around for a trained, competant, qualified and registered person to carry out the work.

 

[heatingman]

Blimey Driv, where you been,

The law says equally both must be competent.

and competance is defined as "trained, qualified and registered"

There are many diy's who are more than competant, but the regs only allow them to buy a boiler, they can not install it themselves as they do not meet the criteria to sign it off or comply with mans instructions.
Therefore the present rules are adequate and sufficient to restrict diy activities.

Its a bit like driving, many can do it quite safely but an act of parliment says to be competant you must hold a licence, still does not make them competant though.

 

[heatingman]

Wheres drivs post gone, does someone have the abillity to remove them?

 

[Doctor Drivel]

Wheres drivs post gone, does someone have the abillity to remove them?

The mod (KevvieBaby) has been on the pop again. He is Corgi registered and doesn't like the truth.

 

[heatingman]

Must be missing something

"Look at the HSE statements again and the pointers."

Where does it say about earning money, can I have a link please

 

[heatingman]

The only defining law as to wether diy gas work is legal or not is the gas regs, which define the type and class of persons permitted to work on gas.

If a dodgy diyer blows up his house, the hse would carry out an investigation and then file a report with the crown prosecution service who will make the decision as to,
Has a law been broken/contravened
Are there sufficient/ adequate grounds for a prosecution

All and any work on gas is covered by the gas regs, the diyer stands a very good chance of being prosecuted, especially if innocent parties are involved in damage/carnage.

 

[WDIK]

http://www.urban75.com/Mag/trolling.html

 

[Doctor Drivel]

Must be missing something

"Look at the HSE statements again and the pointers."

Where does it say about earning money, can I have a link please

"employed" is used.

 

[heatingman]

Thanks WDIK, at the moment I'm enjoying my chat with Driv, I know its all down to interpretation of the law. Once he gets abusive he has lost the ability to debate with rationale & reason.