letter from Boris Johnson to Donald Tusk

SirGalahad said:
DP is triggered, I expected a better retort, looks like you are still fuming.
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DP is bunkered down in his place of safety -all the time he stays in his place of ignorance, he can remain happy.

He cant raise his head above the parapet it would his whole house down.
 
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Notch7 said:
DP is bunkered down in his place of safety -all the time he stays in his place of ignorance, he can remain happy.

He cant raise his head above the parapet it would his whole house down.
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Rofl....and of course you are the font of all things astrological Notchy, ,passing them off as fact.
 
SirGalahad said:
1. Please provide me with lawas that you disagree with. As far as I can recall we voted for 95% of the EU legislation, against 2% and abstained 3%.
2. We can control who we allow to remain here, we simply did not enforce the rules because it was cheaper not to do so and the benefits of immigration outweighed the costs.
3. So now you want tariffs and FTA? We have about 759 we are signatory to which we gained because we were part of the world largest trading bloc. Try negotiate when you are smaller.
4. Correct we do pay into the EU and in return we get tariff free access to the EU, there is an allied benefit its not just a deadweight cost.
5. So we limit ourselves by having standards. Lets become a third world country? How is lowering standards ever boosted an economy?
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We leaving!..Which bunker have you been living in?
 
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durhamplumber said:
Rofl....and of course you are the font of all things astrological Notchy, ,passing them off as fact.
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Are you not embarrassed by keep repeating the same line:

that what I am saying is not fact, yet you admit total ignorance of the facts :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
SirGalahad said:
Next time in capitals and puff your little chest out as much as you can and shout at the top of your voice "We are Leaving"
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I have a feeling it will sound more like 'we are leeeeee....' as the dumb quitter jumps off the cliff!
 
SirGalahad said:
1. Please provide me with lawas that you disagree with. As far as I can recall we voted for 95% of the EU legislation, against 2% and abstained 3%.
2. We can control who we allow to remain here, we simply did not enforce the rules because it was cheaper not to do so and the benefits of immigration outweighed the costs.
3. So now you want tariffs and FTA? We have about 759 we are signatory to which we gained because we were part of the world largest trading bloc. Try negotiate when you are smaller.
4. Correct we do pay into the EU and in return we get tariff free access to the EU, there is an allied benefit its not just a deadweight cost.
5. So we limit ourselves by having standards. Lets become a third world country? How is lowering standards ever boosted an economy?
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I don't know which ones of these below are rules, directives or laws, but the nett effect is the same.

1a. EU enforced rules on overtime being included in holiday pay. EU rules applied this retrospectively. UK managed to limit the retrospective period to 2 years. However, companies just have to suck up the cost as this was not the contractual arrangement they had in place for 2 years the UK limited this to.
1b. UK unable to provide state support to industries such as British Steel because of EU state support rules. British Steel then goes bust, has to be supported in administration by the taxpayer and is then sold to a Turkish pension fund.
1c. Temporary agency works given same rights as full time employees.
etc. etc.
2. I don't agree with that.
3. I want the ability to set our own tarriffs and FTA agreements. When China starts dumping poor quality steel into the UK at low prices which artificially drives down the market price i want to be able to respond. We're the 5th biggest economy in the world and a nett importer. I think other countries will want to deal with us and our markets are attractive to them.
4. We were the 2nd highest nett contributor to the EU. We don't have the locked in currency imbalance that benefits Germany and are a nett importer from the EU. We buy more than we sell to the EU. Why should we pay more for that privilege?
5. if you understood how standards work, you'd realise that changing standards is not the same as lowering them. Forcing alignment in standards across the EU is beneficial in some areas (eg water quality) but detrimental in many others.
 
Lower said:
I don't know which ones of these below are rules, directives or laws, but the nett effect is the same.

1a. EU enforced rules on overtime being included in holiday pay. EU rules applied this retrospectively. UK managed to limit the retrospective period to 2 years. However, companies just have to suck up the cost as this was not the contractual arrangement they had in place for 2 years the UK limited this to.
1b. UK unable to provide state support to industries such as British Steel because of EU state support rules. British Steel then goes bust, has to be supported in administration by the taxpayer and is then sold to a Turkish pension fund.
1c. Temporary agency works given same rights as full time employees.
etc. etc.
2. I don't agree with that.
3. I want the ability to set our own tarriffs and FTA agreements. When China starts dumping poor quality steel into the UK at low prices which artificially drives down the market price i want to be able to respond. We're the 5th biggest economy in the world and a nett importer. I think other countries will want to deal with us and our markets are attractive to them.
4. We were the 2nd highest nett contributor to the EU. We don't have the locked in currency imbalance that benefits Germany and are a nett importer from the EU. We buy more than we sell to the EU. Why should we pay more for that privilege?
5. if you understood how standards work, you'd realise that changing standards is not the same as lowering them. Forcing alignment in standards across the EU is beneficial in some areas (eg water quality) but detrimental in many others.
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1. Wow so you are against stronger worker rights.

As to State Aid. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-35933904

The Government can own companies like any other investor. Our utilities are owned by foreign EU governments.

2. You may not agree but that is the fact.

3. What is this fascination with steel? Is Steel the new fisheries. Smells of Trumpolitics. For a FTA you negotiate tariffs - what matters in any negotiation is who holds the power. We became the fifth biggest by remaining within the EU.

4. Wow. So why do we buy more than we sell? Who makes those choices? Businesses. But you are blaming the EU.

5. The age old escuse we want to change standards and then don't provide the reasoning. What standards do you want to change and why? It sounds more like you want to remove or lower them - it's the clarion call of neo liberalism.
 
Lower said:
show me the fact that you think applies.
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A8 transitional arrangements meant the UK did not have to allow free movement for the new A8 countries (Poland) etc.

that was then.

Currently the UK does not exercise its control of visa overstayers:
Are people who overstay their visa the UK’s biggest immigration problem?
We don’t really know how many people are in the UK without the proper permission. The Home Office doesn’t publish figures on this, so we have to rely on estimates.

The most recent estimate suggests that around 618,000 people could have been living in the UK without permission in 2007. But because this was an estimate, the study thought that in reality it could be anywhere between 417,000 and 863,000people. Of these around 442,000 (72%) were thought to live in London.

If the UK dont exercise its control now, please provide any evidence that leaving the EU will make any difference.
 
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