Who needs an education?

Tigercubrider · 30 Nov 2021

over that ten year period how much was done by the government (ie the Tories - not just as Boris fans claim "we have only been in power 2 years") to increase the tax take from those who don't pay?
How much tax did they cut for those with high tax liability?

The money is there - it's how you spend it that counts
Boris is well known for vanity projects that end up costing the tax payer millions.
His government claim to have increased police numbers. But only after cutting them by 20k.
Most of the Covid spending has been to the advantage of his mates.
Look at the useless PPE.
Compare the "school lunches" content and cost for what can be supplied by a supermarket.

SirGalahad · 30 Nov 2021

Mottie said:
Perhaps you should start a thread for each and every other vital service then. Why stop at education?

So you agree its vital. We may have finally seen a chink in the armour, you're getting old.

Well it starts with education. Keep the public uninformed - easier to convince them and vote against their better interests.

Mottie · 30 Nov 2021

SirGalahad said:
So you agree its vital. We may have finally seen a chink in the armour, you're getting old.

Of course it's vital. They're all vital. I'd say that even if my business wasn't in the educational sector.

JohnD · 30 Nov 2021

SirGalahad said:
Deprived schools have seen larger cuts over the last decade.

The most deprived fifth of secondary schools saw a 14% real-terms fall in spending per pupil between 2009 and 2019, compared with a 9% drop for the least deprived schools.

Explain how that is levelling up?

It's interesting that people of lower education are more likely to support Boris and the Brexit catastrophe.

Perhaps cutting education for the children of the common people is intended to provide more Conservative voters.

cwhaley · 30 Nov 2021

Wonder what the drop in spending equates to in terms of the curriculum? Might not result in any meaningful change.

The real area we need to invest in is manual labour... they are so many generational gaps in our industries such as the mineral extractives and the skilled engineering sectors. I remember leaving school 15 years ago and the drive then under Blair was for everybody to stay on and eventually go to university. A few didn't and decided instead to do an apprenticeship, but there were many more who deep down just wanted to work on the tools. Unfortunately they ended up going into higher education and getting a degree worth next-to-nothing in the real world, but fortunately some have since gone into skilled work and are doing very well.

Mottie · 30 Nov 2021

There is a skills shortage in this country. We should be training our own people instead of taking the easy option and buying in those skills from abroad.

Justin Passing · 30 Nov 2021

SirGalahad said:
Deprived schools have seen larger cuts over the last decade.
The most deprived fifth of secondary schools saw a 14% real-terms fall in spending per pupil between 2009 and 2019, compared with a 9% drop for the least deprived schools.

Where's that from, esp the most/least deprived bit.

SirGalahad said:
....making cuts because they have no money is the weakest of excuses ...

Not having the money, seems like good reason to cut your spending, to me.

Everything would be better if it was supplied with more money.... gov info:

ellal · 30 Nov 2021

Education on the whole has been cut for years in order to dumb down the future electorate, and that has been remarkably successful...

Meanwhile the private education system hasn't, and retains it's charity status...

The new elite follow in their predecessors elite footsteps...

All too easy!

Notch7 · 30 Nov 2021

Mottie said:
Better than a kick in the ballcocks. There isn't an unlimited pot of money to spend from.

yes there is.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...ampaign-teachers-climate-change-a9129171.html
Boris Johnson spent £100m on a pointless Brexit ad campaign. He could have trained 3,000 teachers instead

The court has heard the government agreed to deals worth £280 million with PestFix and Ayanda for face masks which did not meet NHS standards
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/ppe-bribes-china-uk-government-pestfix-b936043.html

Michael Gove backer won £164m in PPE contracts after ‘VIP lane’ referral
David Meller’s company was among 47 awarded PPE contracts after referrals from politicians and officials

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...164m-in-ppe-contracts-after-vip-lane-referral

Tory-linked firm involved in testing failure given new £347m Covid contract
This article is more than 1 year old
Exclusive: Hancock has backed transfer of nearly £500m to Randox during pandemic

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...sting-failure-awarded-new-347m-covid-contract

the govt have an endless supply of money -to spaff on their mates

Notch7 · 30 Nov 2021

Mottie said:
I'm not arguing with you but what vital service would you like to see cut to fully fund this?

1) Tory corruption

2) brexit -colossal waste of money £billions spaffed up the wall just to be worse off

Mottie · 30 Nov 2021

Notch7 said:
2) brexit -colossal waste of money £billions spaffed up the wall just to be worse off

Remind us how you voted in the Brexit referendum.

AngleEyes · 30 Nov 2021

Mottie said:
Remind us how you voted in the Brexit referendum.

No wonder no-one on this site ever admits they made a mistake, apologies for an error, or considers themselves wrong, 'cos it'll be thrown in their faces by the RWR for ever and a day, because they've exhausted all their rational arguments.

Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.
Albert Einstein

Yesterday is not ours to recover, but tomorrow is ours to win or lose.
Lyndon B. Johnson

charliegolf · 30 Nov 2021

Mottie said:
Are Amazon, Google and Facebook vital government services then?

From where does the money come, that pays for vital public services then?

Notch7 · 30 Nov 2021

Mottie said:
Remind us how you voted in the Brexit referendum.

I voted for brexit which turned out to be a colossal waste of money

billions spent for zero benefit.

Notch7 · 30 Nov 2021

cwhaley said:
Wonder what the drop in spending equates to in terms of the curriculum? Might not result in any meaningful change.

The real area we need to invest in is manual labour... they are so many generational gaps in our industries such as the mineral extractives and the skilled engineering sectors. I remember leaving school 15 years ago and the drive then under Blair was for everybody to stay on and eventually go to university. A few didn't and decided instead to do an apprenticeship, but there were many more who deep down just wanted to work on the tools. Unfortunately they ended up going into higher education and getting a degree worth next-to-nothing in the real world, but fortunately some have since gone into skilled work and are doing very well.

I agree -Blairs belief that "university should be available for all" was a mistake

what he should have done is to deliver top quality further education and vocational skills -so that the less academic had as much opportunity as the most academic

Who needs an education?

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