What fire rated downlights are you all fitting?

Its all in part L isn’t it.
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A replaceable bulb fitting that can be replaced with a Tungsten bulb will get a lower EPC than a fixed LED un replaceable bulb.
So the millions of properties that have pendant lighting will get a low rated EPC. As will those that have any other types of light fitting with G9, G4, GU10 and all the other styles of replaceable lamps, and all because someone might go and buy some inefficient incandescent lamps that are obsolete and have been off the market for years.
 
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So the millions of properties that have pendant lighting will get a low rated EPC. As will those that have any other types of light fitting with G9, G4, GU10 and all the other styles of replaceable lamps, and all because someone might go and buy some inefficient incandescent lamps that are obsolete and have been off the market for years.
Yes that right
And is another indication of how stupid the EPC is
 
I can see two camels on your wall :LOL:
:ROFLMAO:

I'm regretting that blinking paper already. Bill Morris, I thought would be good. I saw a sample in the shop, but when it's hung, you can see the repeated pattern and it does my eyes in something rotten.
 
That's a massive job filling the holes and IMO you will always be able to see where they were - are you good at plastering / filling - or have to pay someone to do it.
Replacing with new GU10s would be much cheaper. Replaceable bulbs.
But the issue with replaceable bulbs is that it will affect your EPC and will lower your score due to Part L

EPC is rated C.
It's all down the accessor if you know a decent one who isn't silly....

I've known LLs take the course themselves it's that basic mate.
 
That's a massive job filling the holes and IMO you will always be able to see where they were - are you good at plastering / filling - or have to pay someone to do it.
Replacing with new GU10s would be much cheaper. Replaceable bulbs.
But the issue with replaceable bulbs is that it will affect your EPC and will lower your score due to Part L

How is filling existing holes a massive job?
Cut some 76mm board match existing, batten, but scrim over it.
Wide filling blade/knife and tub ready mixed Gyproc lite or similar.
 
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So the millions of properties that have pendant lighting will get a low rated EPC. As will those that have any other types of light fitting with G9, G4, GU10 and all the other styles of replaceable lamps, and all because someone might go and buy some inefficient incandescent lamps that are obsolete and have been off the market for years.

The days of 35/50w halogens are over.
I must have box's of them here.
Plus some 'fluorescent' types before the switch to LED.

Looking at the new integrated LEDs they look a nightmare with the switchable wattage and colour.

Cheers
 
How is filling existing holes a massive job?
Cut some 76mm board match existing, batten, but scrim over it.
Wide filling blade/knife and tub ready mixed Gyproc lite or similar.
Have you ever done it in a virgin perfect ceiling. You will always be able to see where it was.
 
with whatever GU10 lamps are desired.
Not sure if that is true? Can one fit plastic bulbs and still comply with fire rating? As in the main, were designed to work with glass bulbs.
Not true, and no one cares about EPCs anyway, they are just a thing people are compelled to get when selling a house.
They are also grossly inaccurate and only cover certain items that the software knows about.
You're not kidding, it does not list items and say what points will be awarded if upgraded, but lists then in sequence, so starts with floor insulation which will gain me 2 points, save £48 per year, and cost £4,000 - £6,000 so at 70+ that is stupid, so I stop reading.

But it does give a point for low energy lighting, however with renewable bulbs, not really part of the fabric of the building.

Solar water heating £4,000 - £6,000 saves £59 and solar photovoltaic panels, 2.5 kWp £5,000 - £8,000 saves £289, but if you have solar photovoltaic panels why would you have solar water heating, other than using the solar photovoltaic panels to heat the water?

Figures for my house, and 2.5 kW for solar far too small, I have 6 kW, and the solar will not really save without having batteries as well, so average saving, scaling down to 2.5 kW based on my panels, £27 per month, or £323 per year, (based on 15p/kWh export rate) so not that far off. But what allows saving is the move to off-peak supplies, and being able to use the power when at low rate, and this needs a battery.

In real terms, filling the voids with insulation likely improves fire ratings far more than selection of light fittings. What we want is to remove the ability of air to move, both feeding the fire and spreading the fire. I note flats built in the style of a house, often have concrete floors, I would assume since my flat was originally a garage, there will be some fire barrier between main house and flat, and with 6 doors to outside, getting out is not a problem, getting down the stairs maybe, bathroom windows most likely escape route from top floor.

But the main problem, is as electricians, are we really trained as to what a hole will cause in the case of a fire. I worked on the building of Schiehallion a gas drilling ship, and was trained in how to take cables room to room, and make off fire resistance glands, as in other installations, and I learnt how much I don't know. The same testing smoke alarms, I was trained how to test them, and that is not just pressing the test button. In the same way as testing a RCD is not simply pressing test button.

What worries me, is where someone makes comments in a report, which they are not trained to give, like a home buyer report where it talks about the condition of the electrical installation, the surveyor is not trained to give an electrical installation condition report, (EICR) so he must make that very plain in the report, that it's not an EICR, same with electrician doing an EICR, he must not do anything to make the owner think it covers fire prevention and detection.

I never did the full course for fitting flameproof fittings, I can install them, but not trained to select them. Well so much time gone by, likely some new certificate not required to install flameproof fittings.

One would think fire rating was like ingress rating, and would have some number like the IP56 excreta? And to maintain the rating it would need to be used as the manufacturer instructs, so the big question is, can a plastic lamp be fitted in a fire rated fitting, and it retains the fire rating? I don't know. Will be interesting to see replies.
 
Lamp type make no difference it's the fitting that is fire rated.

EICR is required every 5 years as it's a rental on Wales.
Plus interlinked smokes, one up, one down.
CO can still be battery but I'll fit wired plus combined heat/CO in kitchen.
 

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