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This whole gender thing is a lot of old sh1te. Left leaning parents, educators etc encouraging young humans down this dangerous path.

How about

"This whole homosexual thing is a lot of old sh1te. Left leaning parents, educators etc encouraging young humans down this dangerous path"?

How does that look?

The reason I mentioned homosexuality was not because I think there's a link between sexual orientation and gender identity, it's because of the similarities between attitudes to non-binary gender identity today, and to homosexuality 50+ years ago.

We see the same "don't talk about it to children, it will encourage them to become transgender|homosexual".

We see the same "Oh it's not real, it's just a choice, a whim".

We see the same "it's unnatural" and the same "it's wrong" moralising.

We see the same conflation of trans women = intrinsic sex offender that we saw with male homosexual = paedophile.

We tried to eradicate homosexuality by legislation. It didn't work.

We tried to eradicate it by pretending it wasn't real, and people could be "converted" away from it. It didn't work.

We tried to ban "promotion" of it in schools. It didn't work.

We had decades of prejudice and ill-treatment of homosexuals. They did not go away.

And yet here some of us are trying the same sort of tactics because they don't like the idea of a non-binary gender system, tactics which are no more going to work to bring about the change they want than they did to bring about the same change people wanted re homosexuality.


I don't for one second think that a man should automatically have access to women-only spaces just by saying "I identify as a woman", and I've always said that.

There are genuine and justified concerns about how to deal with trans people in the context of same-sex spaces such as prisons, hospital wards, domestic violence refuges, and how to ensure fairness in sport, for example, but that those concerns can’t be addressed by pretending that there are no trans people.

The reason I asked pete about whether mention should ever be made in schools about families, mothers, fathers, etc (a question he misinterpreted before answering) was that schools already have to consider what happens with same-sex parents.

As soon as teachers start talking about mummies and daddies and brothers and sisters and grandmas and grandads, etc, e.g. just reading stories, they are already encountering the situation where they might be talking to children who don't have a mummy and a daddy, they have two mummies or two daddies.

Does anybody here think that those children should be made to feel ashamed, or guilty? That in some way their family is "wrong"? Should they be left confused or worried by their scenario being ignored, as if it doesn't or shouldn't exist?

As children get older, those who are homosexual will start to realise that. Should they be made to feel ashamed, or guilty? That there is something "wrong" with them? Should they be left confused or worried by their feelings being ignored, as if they don't or shouldn't exist?

Finding ways to deal with these issues does not mean "teaching" homosexuality. It does not mean discussing it at inappropriate ages, or in inappropriate ways.


And so it is with gender identity. If it hasn't happened yet that a child in a school has a trans parent it will soon.

Transgender people are no more going to go away by being ridiculed, ignored, denied, treated prejudicially or legislated against than homosexual people did. As a society we have to find ways to deal with that.

We won't succeed if we stick to simplistic, scientifically illiterate beliefs about genitals and sex.

We won't succeed if we threaten to punch people who tell children scientific truths.

We won't succeed if we think this is the way to do it:


We won't succeed if we think like this:

 
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Again no if they have these feelings discuss them of course.

Then why this:

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Then why this:

Thats a joke
 
And it seems, unfortunately, that because of some recent problems I have to make this clarification again.

My OP was not trolling. I didn't write it cynically, just to create conflict, or to argue for the sake of arguing. Not to sow division. Not to create conflict. Not to argue for the sake of it as some kind of perverse fun.

Not to troll.

I was being completely sincere, and genuine, and honest, and not being the slightest disingenuous, when posting it.


I did it because I believe with all my heart and soul that it was the right thing to do.

People may disagree about that, that's their right, as is expressing that disagreement.

But what they should not do is to impugn my motives just because they disagree.
 
Being ghey was banned because it was thought to be morally wrong. Gender change identity is wrong when they want it to be for all purposes including biological sex. It massively discriminates against biological women.
 
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