17 year old employee my grandaughter advice req

[PE]

Under 18 and only being on probation/trial she will have very little comeback I am afarid.

The bit she should pursue is the cost of the haircut because unless this was in writing that she would be deducted the cost of this if she left the company, I can't see they have a leg to stand on

Only having one side of the story its difficult to comment really. Having employed various youngsters with serious attitude problems previously (not for long I might add) its always difficult. Not saying this is the case here but there is always more than one viewpoint

On the face of it sounds like she has been treated pretty badly though so word of mouth as suggested can do wonders for making one feel better. Bad news does travel fast!

 

[PrenticeBoyofDerry]

I suggest you call ACAS.
They work for both sides, and will inform you of her rights.
http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1410

 

[joinerjohn]

Donkmeister wrote ""Just wondering - how does it work with uniforms? If you have a job where they supply you with a uniform, can they charge you for it?""


I think in the armed forces, you get your first uniform free. Subsequent replacement is charged for, except for fair wear and tear.

Most companies supplying uniforms for work will supply FOC but can charge for a replacement if the employee has been negligent in the care of the uniform. I suppose it all boils down to , whether the uniform could be deemed , personal protective equipment. For instance, a smock or apron in the hairdressing trade could be PPE. Doesn't matter whether it has the company logo on or not. Should be FOC.
THe haircut the OP's grandaughter had to have, I would say should be paid for by the company she was working for. I reckon they are well out of order here. Almost taking advantage of a youngsters naivety and lack of knowledge concerning employment laws.

 

[ellal]

Tell her to threaten them with the local press..

They wouldn't risk the chance of even the smallest bit of adverse publicity for 86 quid..

In fact they probably wouldn't like it if there was mention of a haircut (and make sure that is what it is described as) there costing that much in the first place!

 

[lancenotalot]

Put a paving slab through the window and defecate in the sinks,works everytime

 

[Nige F]

Donkmeister wrote ""Just wondering - how does it work with uniforms? If you have a job where they supply you with a uniform, can they charge you for it?""


I think in the armed forces, you get your first uniform free. Subsequent replacement is charged for, except for fair wear and tear.

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does that include bullet holes

 

[Bahco]

If you can prove discrimination then this would be the route to go down.

Apparently there is no maximum figure for compensation for discrimination.

As suggested ACAS will have a lot more info than the CAB as they are specialists.

 

[Homesafe]

Put a paving slab through the window and defecate in the sinks,works everytime

How many times you done that then?

 

[Infidel]

Also be very aware that if any legal approach i.e. tribunals for unfair dismissal will reflect on her future employment record.
Would you employ someone who had only been in the job for a week and taken them to a tribunal.
Unfair maybe but at 17 a lesson, they could blemmish her future prospects.

 

[gregers]

Also be very aware that if any legal approach i.e. tribunals for unfair dismissal will reflect on her future employment record.
Would you employ someone who had only been in the job for a week and taken them to a tribunal.
Unfair maybe but at 17 a lesson, they could blemmish her future prospects.

maybe,but look at it from another perspective,if and a big if.if this employer keeps on doing this?????
shouldnt someone take a stand????

 

[Infidel]

maybe,but look at it from another perspective,if and a big if.if this employer keeps on doing this?????
shouldnt someone take a stand????

Absolutely but without tarnishing the girls future prospects, as we used to say "put it down to experience" or as they say now "move on " reputation is all and as word gets about especially amongst the adult community of what it's a shyster firm they may well lose custom because of its reputation.

 

[Blasphemous]

I didn't want to get into this discussion (I think most know I have a background in HR). The reason I didn't want to get involved is simply that the young lady is in a very difficult position and my advice possibly isn't what people want to hear. Any Employment Lawyer worth his/her salt will tell you that an Employment Tribunal is NEVER clear cut. I decided to come into the discussion to back-up Infidel's position. Unless you are absolutely sure you want your day in court, you really don't want an ET on your record at such a young age (perhaps any age!). My advice would be to walk away from that line of attack. She hasn't been treated fairly and I do not condone the Employer in any way but in terms of its potential effect on her future employment, it's simply not worth pursuing an ET in this case in my opinion. Whether she should 'attack' the employer through the local press etc is another thing. Indeed I think that would be my approach to this.

 

[gasmick2]

Hi everyone and many thanks for all the input and advice all i want for her is to have her money paid back to her so that she can move on,
on advice from A C A S, my granddaghter has now written to the manager asking why have they deducted £86 plus from her wages without her consent? and to point out that she was not imformed about the company policy at the start of her employment either in writing or verbal.
A C A S say that you have to start up a greivance, and they by law have to respond within 14 days failing to do this they will inform them of her rights under the law and she said they had no right to deduct it without her saying yes ,
As i say we dont want to take it to any tribunal as i know as pointed out it goes on your record, i was an employer for 38 years but only in a small way but i do kwow a little about employment law,
I will not stand by and let her be crapped on by these employers
if they dont pay her the money back then i will write to my local paper as a concerned grandfather and see what adverse publicity will do
I will keep you all informed of the outcome and again many many thanks for your advice and comments

MICK

 

[snico]

Because shes been there only a week, she has very very few employment rights.

Employers can pretty much get rid of people for any reason, if it follows company procedures.

Her best course of action would to speak to them about the money they deducted and tell them about the bullying. Mention how the local press would like to hear this story!

She would have very litle chance of success at a tribunal, thats even if she can get to that stage. Remember though that it is not possible to go to an employment tribunal directly over bullying. Complaints can be made under laws covering discrimination and harassment.

 

[lancenotalot]

Put a paving slab through the window and defecate in the sinks,works everytime

How many times you done that then?

ok maybe the paving slab is a bit extreme Just a brick.