Because nobody is thinking about attacking Russia in retaliation for their invasion of Ukraine.
Seems clear enough to me.
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Seems clear enough to me.
You know that's a stupid comparison. We know how many asylum seekers were arriving before this was announced and we'll see how many arrive after this has been announced and how many if it ever goes into effect.
If you are afraid to measure the effectiveness then you can't have much confidence in it.
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We could send a bomber over and trop leaflets on the French Coast. Or we can presume they have Mobil phones...
And if they do choose to ignore then they will go to Rwanda.
If I was that desperate I'd settle in France, Germany Sweden rather than die at sea or start again drom Rwanda or could go to Denmark
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You know that's a stupid comparison. We know how many asylum seekers were arriving before this was announced and we'll see how many arrive after this has been announced and how many if it ever goes into effect.
If you are afraid to measure the effectiveness then you can't have much confidence in it.
I'm hoping it's an effective deterant as I take no pleasure in people wanting a better life dying in trying for it.
Presumably they will learn in the same way they learned that the UK is the land of milk and honey. After all, they’ve learned to go straight through Italy (safe from famine, drought and war) , through France (also safe fron famine, drought and war) then on to the UK. Remember, it’s only single men that are going to be sent to Rwanda not women, not kids and not families. Why do you think they bypass two safe countries to get to the UK? Don’t trot out the usual claptrap about them having a community here or because they can speak the language - if the first is true we need to break that cycle and if the second is true, they can speak that in Rwanda.
I think it'll fail on its own measures, saving money and avoiding channel crossings, and that it's inhumane and unworthy of our country. The first is measurable, the second is a question of morality.
I imagine they come here as they believe in our old fashioned ideas of justice for all, freedom of expression and a fair chance of starting a new life.
I assume those ideals are soon knocked out of them once they find out the truth is very different.
Probably, interesting how you feel those ideals don't exist in the EU.
Nobody has been relocated yet. I wouldn't hold your collective breath.
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Well for one there is much discussion about what to do about refugees in all European countries. It's a problem part down to international law. There are reasons for people to move out of countries - rather a lot of them could actually way more than actually choose to move.
Approximately 22 percent of the world’s refugee population live in refugee camps – an estimated 6.6 million people. Among them, 4.5 million reside in planned and managed camps and approximately 2 million are sheltered in self-settled camps.
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Some of course as with Ukraine stay were they are to some degree.
Why the UK - 'cause they want to. State support - things changed some time ago - Cameron. Refuges are different but others are not entitled when they arrive - agreed with the EU.
Rwanda - a number have come by boat recently. A fleet of aircraft would be needed to send all there and the accommodation shown has limited capacity, Maybe this will over time limit the number that arrive by boat. Maybe it wont.
The majority come from trouble spots. Zelenskyy has a pipe dream. A world army that descends on these and sorts them out.This sort of idea cropped up with the formation of NATO but as several countries need to agree the result is NATO. The action has to be agreed by all. The EU made similar noises - an EU army rather quickly changed to a sort of NATO. Well NATO could decide to descend on these trouble spots. They don't.
Approximately 22 percent of the world’s refugee population live in refugee camps – an estimated 6.6 million people. Among them, 4.5 million reside in planned and managed camps and approximately 2 million are sheltered in self-settled camps.
Refugee Camps | Definition, facts and statistics
Refugee camps are home to more than 6.6 million refugees worldwide. But what is a refugee camp like and how does it work?
Why the UK - 'cause they want to. State support - things changed some time ago - Cameron. Refuges are different but others are not entitled when they arrive - agreed with the EU.
Rwanda - a number have come by boat recently. A fleet of aircraft would be needed to send all there and the accommodation shown has limited capacity, Maybe this will over time limit the number that arrive by boat. Maybe it wont.
The majority come from trouble spots. Zelenskyy has a pipe dream. A world army that descends on these and sorts them out.This sort of idea cropped up with the formation of NATO but as several countries need to agree the result is NATO. The action has to be agreed by all. The EU made similar noises - an EU army rather quickly changed to a sort of NATO. Well NATO could decide to descend on these trouble spots. They don't.
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No political party is doing anything to stop immigration; in the past 12 months more came than in any previous 12 months; the rate will only increase; the immigrants are fakes; the Rwanda plan will not work; the only way is treat them as the invaders that they are and repel them by military means.
It took me a minute or two to see what you mean: they prefer to come here rather than stop in the first safe country: well, some do, of course. Sweden has had its problems with refugees/emigrants and other countries are struggling to accomodate them. I guess it comes down to seeking sanctuary on an island in time of war. An impulse as old as humanity.
No easy answers but sending them to Rwanda is a PR cock-up.
Like sending them back to square one in Mottie's analogy of snakes and ladders.
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Sounds like Rwanda and Congo problems may be kicking off again. Previously helped by the UN and put down to Rwanda. Some particular group driven back over the boarder. Looks like the problems in Cong continue so population rather upset.
Come on Filly! You don't believe that load of old tosh. But maybe you do. The Tories have been pledging to greatly reduce immigration, remember Caomoron "reduce it to the tens of thosands". But what's been happening since 2010 - immigration has actually gone up - by a lot. You seem to unquestioningly swallow Johnson's bs.
Tories aren't even trying to limit immigration. A country that beat the Nazi war machine can't stop thousands of goat herders coming across The Channel?? The numbers are increasing. The headline grabbing Rwanda adventure - we'll have to see if their latest 'promise' will bear fruit. Now Brexit has turned off the tap to the only worthwhile immigrants to come here in large numbers we are likley to be shopping in the third world for workers who are unlikely to assimilate as easily as EEs. And seeing a nearby council estate virtually changing colour (all during Tory rule) with very recent arrivals from once being almost completely caucasian a few years ago - shows that immigration is definitelly accelerating.
So yes I do criticise. Because all the promises are pie in the sky and amount to the opposite. They're just stringing you along. Same with Brexit meaning cheaper food, oven ready deals, sunlit uplands, fantastic trade deals, blah, blah, blah. Just saying what you want to hear to get their own way.
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