Abramovich, good guy or bad guy?

Another thing that strikes me as rather odd . . . Is how my MSM seems to know how all of these Rushian Gangsta's got their thieving hands on all of their monies in the most intricate detail, yet they seem to be totally clueless when it comes to the Bush family, the Clintons, the Bidens, the Blairs . . . . !
 
Another thing that strikes me as rather odd . . . Is how my MSM seems to know how all of these Rushian Gangsta's got their thieving hands on all of their monies in the most intricate detail, yet they seem to be totally clueless when it comes to the Bush family, the Clintons, the Bidens, the Blairs . . . . !

A lot of things get blown up because they are Russian. That tends to equal very very bad what ever it is. It's a historical thing, propaganda over many years. Plus they do bad things from time to time. Main one is bump people off.

LOL Actually the Blairs were reckoned to have no money other than what could be expected from their professions. So they tried a bit of property speculation. It was also mentioned that the male Blair could make significant amounts from the lecture circuit after he quit. Mind you having no money depends on who some one is compared with.
 
A lot of that seems to have been purely out of jealously.

Or a hatred for Boris, so not sanctioning him was another Boris failure. That said, he failed to get a British passport and was refused a visa after the Salisbury poisonings.
 
LOL Actually the Blairs were reckoned to have no money other than what could be expected from their professions. So they tried a bit of property speculation. It was also mentioned that the male Blair could make significant amounts from the lecture circuit after he quit. Mind you having no money depends on who some one is compared with.

They're both barristers & I salute the qualities they must both possess to get them into that profession.

I'm aware that most of their fee's were actually funded by the taxpayer !

It's not that a difficult a task to separate their finances from earnings from their legal activities, their earnings from property investments (although how they possessed the initial stake money is another box of frogs) & their earnings from the lecture circuit . . . . & indeed from the very many sources of income that they seem to have scrabbled together to justify such a vast fortune.

It's not that difficult that even a 'cub' reporter on a very small provincial newspaper could smash their house of cards down within a few days work.
 
Or a hatred for Boris, so not sanctioning him was another Boris failure. That said, he failed to get a British passport and was refused a visa after the Salisbury poisonings.
There may well be something we don't know about Abramovich and other oligarchs - I am sure that some are worse than others , but there does seem to be a lot of Russophobia, jealousy of wealth, and hatred of their connections to Boris/Tories which is leading things.

I can see some logic in trying to get to Putin by his oligarch friends, but I am not sure whether its an actual good strategy or just bowing to what the twitter mob may expect.
 
they seem to have scrabbled together to justify such a vast fortune.
How much and where does the info come from? :mrgreen: Even a president was suggesting ways he could make money and other possible jobs. As usual in the USA that one will have been "rather" rich.

I would suspect Abramovich's initial route to riches was something of a fix. I explained why earlier. The right bloke for the job and Russia's state at the time. Probably a more effective one than some that have happened in covid areas.

An oligarch is a rich person with political influence. Viewed that way there are loads of them about. One in Ukraine bugs me a bit - own a TV service. That sort of thing can have a lot of influence.
 
Tales of rigged auctions, bent deals...

That's part of the problem TALES. Many of the comments are. No proof. Assumptions. Bumping off a politician maybe some Russian or the other idea of making a party donation. Corruption - already commented, when needed the UK will bribe. Their criminal side sorted themselves out after the fall of the USSR. Street fighting initially.

Take one currently locked up. Poisoned, recovers, goes back to Russia and is locked up, for longer now. Fraud mentioned. Trumped up or is it? He's given mass media access while in prison.

Another shot in the street. Anybody could do that. Nerve agents - tricky one but they are made they don't grow on trees, one vaguely similar can on peanuts.

Equally the state could have done some or all.

Money for Yeltsin's election campaign figures in the sell off. How - no details given. Why did he need it if all is rigged? His idea along with Putin was to get shut of communism.

C4's Guru-Murphy did one of his bombastic interviews last night to a Russian diplomat. He threw all of the news that has been used re Ukraine at him. The bloke could recall exactly what has been said at the Russian end. Only weak area was the special operation aspects but over all it's easy to see why the term might be used. He also picked up on the withdrawal from Kiev and correctly pointed out that isn't what Russia have said. His comment about damage to civilian stuff is likely to be correct at least in some cases. If military aspects are there it will be hit. Russia does have drones flying around. One popped up during an ongoing interview.

;) So back to square one really in terms of are they winning or loosing.
 
It's not that a difficult a task to separate their finances from earnings from their legal activities, their earnings from property investments (although how they possessed the initial stake money is another box of frogs) & their earnings from the lecture circuit . . . . & indeed from the very many sources of income that they seem to have scrabbled together to justify such a vast fortune.

Why don't you give us the breakdown then?
 
I think he will get almost everything back once the war is over as will the others and we end up with the usual, money pouring into London. It's not just the Russians, money from China may be a bigger problem -
 
There has been rumours that Wall St is swimming in Russian money. Hedge funds funds and all sorts. I'd suspect that to get at all of it tax havens would have to be invaded. I say invaded as no country seems to want to do anything about them. :rolleyes: I wonder why. Didn't Cameron give people a clue not long ago. There are very probably others.
 
England has managed to seize, sort of, one boat and they are not sure who it belongs to.

It's mostly rhetoric by our gov and it will remain like that and those abusing the system with dodgy money will continue.
 
Someone rang into a radio show and they talked about this bloke how he got his money, how many people he employs and the good work he has done. You know what, I think I've been fooled by this gov of ours as this man by all accounts is a good man if the what the caller stated was favtual.

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