alleged elec in wednesdays "sun" 19th march

[333rocky333]

The bloke in the picture is shown working on a board using what looks like a uninsulated screwdriver.
With what appears to be another red one in his pocket.

I know the board is dead as there is no main switch
and looks like some sort of test rig

But I think showing this sets a bad example
I know when training money is tight but
Does any one use uninsulated screwdrivers for electrical work.

 

[Taylortwocities]

They make great chisels

 

[Spark123]

Can you scan / post the pic? Thu 20 March

 

[GaryMo]

Insulated screwdrivers aren't a requirement as we wouldn't dream of working on or near live equipment, would we?
Section 14 EAWR

BTW, the only non insulated screwdriver I own is a terminal which is used for locating joists (to avoid) when installing downlights

 

[333rocky333]

Can you scan / post the pic? Thu 20 March

Sorry it was
wednesday 19th
Will try but never done it yet

 

[JohnD]

Does any one use uninsulated screwdrivers for electrical work.

I use my big one

 

[Click-Sure]

JohnD is actually 2 inches tall.

 

[cardenjw]

would not be without me orange insulation....

but then again the 5Kv gloves are good as well......

and the rubber boots

flame retardent overalls

nomex jacket

hard hat with built in face guard.

J

 

[GaryMo]

That's Heath and Safety for you......all that PPE to change a plug top fuse

 

[RF Lighting]

nomex jacket

Is that similar to my no-mates jacket?

 

[cardenjw]

well it is blu has two arms .......

weighs about two tons..

has lots of pockets.....



stay away from fires and we wont need one

but jointers use gas.... and flames.....

 

[tim west]

If the electrician has done all the checks and safety procedures beforehand he should do before attempting working on a circuit then there isnt really any need for insulated screwdrivers these days.
Or are we saying the "electrician" may work on live gear?
Naughty Naughty!

 

[plugwash]

If the electrician has done all the checks and safety procedures beforehand he should do before attempting working on a circuit then there isnt really any need for insulated screwdrivers these days.

how can you check that someone hasn't borrowed a neutral from your circuit to use for a light on a totally unrelated circuit that is currently turned off such that as soon as the relavent light switch is turned on your neutral becomes live?

how can you be absoloutely sure what circuit a cable you can't see the ends of is on unit you cut it?

If there are multiple people working and you have to turn a circuit back on before all work is completed (say to power a tool) how can you be sure there is noone working on that circuit (yes you can ask people what circuit they are working on but they may have made a mistake)

 

[Softus]

how can you check that someone hasn't borrowed a neutral from your circuit to use for a light on a totally unrelated circuit that is currently turned off such that as soon as the relavent light switch is turned on your neutral becomes live?

I can see how a borrowed neutral can be an unexpectedly energised neutral, but "become live"?
Without some other fault? I don't see how.

 

[RF Lighting]

It doesn't come live as such, but can rise to the same potential as a phase conductor, and can still deliver a fatal current, without a fault.

If the neutral goes open circuit, power will flow down the live wire, through the filament of the lightbulb, and down the neutral wire. As there is no return path for the electric, the neutral will sit at 230V to earth.

The current it can deliver is limited by the resistance of the load, but it is still enough to kill someone.