American terrorism ?

[ajohn]

So they couldn't be blamed for using gas as a blackmailing tool. Blow them up, blame others, sorted.

Really
The other reason for the holes could be to try and prevent them from being turned on. It widens the field.

 

[denso13]

The other reason for the holes could be to try and prevent them from being turned on. It widens the field.

Yes it does.

But you said you couldn't think why Vlad the invader would. I gave you a plausible reason.

 

[noseall]

I saw a video of it, with one of the German politicians laughing his head off.

Thet were all laughing at Trump, is all. Standard stuff at world gatherings.

 

[ellal]

No, he said the reason (for his special military operation) was the demilitarisation and denazification of Ukraine, in his public address. NATO wasn't mentioned. It came later as the excuses mounted.

Only three days later - officially...

Of course he had stated previously that Ukraine must stay 'neutral'...

He even wrote a lengthy essay about it!

But funnily enough Poo Tin was once asked if Russia would be able/willing to join NATO...

"In 2000, during his first weeks as president, Putin was asked by David Frost on the BBC if it was possible Russia could join Nato. He replied: “I would not rule such a possibility out, if and when Russia’s views are taken into account as those of an equal partner.”

Take that as however you wish to interpret it

 

[Vinty]

There's a few angles there, NATO is a purely defensive organisation. It doesn't have a history of invasion of other sovereign countries. (Excluding humanitarian

Nato doesn't threaten anybody

NATO was formed as a deterrent to the threat from the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union dissolved, so why didn't NATO dissolve as well.

 

[Vinty]

Russia seems to think it has a right to have "buffer states

Given the history of Russia and Western Europe, Russia would be mad not to secure their sovereignty by neutralising the threat from pro Western countries on their border.

 

[denso13]

Russia would be mad not to secure their sovereignty by neutralising the threat from pro Western countries on their border.

They have just ensured the expansion of NATO. It is happening thanks to Vlad the invader.

 

[Vinty]

They have just ensured the expansion of NATO. It is happening thanks to Vlad the invader.

Two world wars started in the east, each one worse than the one before.
Looks like the next and final one will start there as well.
Some people never learn.

 

[Pat ex]

NATO was formed as a deterrent to the threat from the Soviet Union, the Soviet Union dissolved, so why didn't NATO dissolve as well.

In the meantime there were other threats that arose.

 

[Vinty]

In the meantime there were other threats that arose.

All outside the original remit of NATO.

 

[denso13]

All outside the original remit of NATO.

So what?

 

[Vinty]

So what?

It undermines the justification for NATO

 

[denso13]

It undermines the justification for NATO

No it doesn't, organisations can evolve to meet different challenges.

 

[Vinty]

No it doesn't, organisations can evolve to meet different challenges.

NATO was created to counter the threat from the Soviet Union.
That threat no longer exists.
NATO has no mandate from the rest of the world to carry out military operations outside Europe.

 

[denso13]

NATO was created to counter the threat from the Soviet Union.

No, not only for that.

"It is often said that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization was founded in response to the threat posed by the Soviet Union. This is only partially true."

A short history of NATO

www.nato.int