Another record milestone for Labour. 50,000…

[MNW67]

How can a 2015 deal that has resulted in more being sent from turkey to the EU than EU to turkey be responsible for reducing crossings?

I would suggest it’s more to do with blocking, pushback and general hostility that has forced them to take other routes.

Because people found out very quickly that they would be returned. So they stopped trying. It is well documented and has been a huge success. Asylum seekers from Turkey now avoid the easy Greek islands option. It does turn into whack-a-mole to a certain extent because some try to go much further along the Med. Similar with the Italy deal. Asylum seekers from North Africa are now trying to get to Greece instead of Italy.

 

[johnny2007]

It does get tricky. What should we do with a genuine refugee who manages to get to the UK, but faces torture and execution in their own country.

Genuine refugees don't arrive in UK.
Genuine refugees approach the authorities as soon as they arrive in a safe country.
Last time I checked, EU countries were considered safe.
The ones arriving in UK are economic migrants, here just to milk the system.

 

[Mottie]

I
I would have processing outside of the UK and have more safe routes for genuine refugees.

But I usually get criticised just for repeating it.

If we had that, fair enough for genuine refugees as it would save them the expense and the danger of a channel crossing but honestly, what do you think those that get refused asylum outside the U.K. would do?Do you think they’d just shrug their shoulders, say ‘it’s a fair cop guvnor' and toddle off back home? No, they'd……pay a trafficker and still try to get here!

 

[denso13]

they'd……pay a trafficker and still try to get here!

Then you pick them up and take them to the assessment centre again. You'll have their ID from before so can send them home even more quickly.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

What solutions do you think might work.

The EU seem to be having some success. Numbers were down 40% last year and are down another 10% this year.

They have several schemes. At the peak in 2015, nearly three quarters of a million asylum seekers landed on the Greek Islands from Turkey. This route is virtually zero now because of the deal between Turkey and the EU.

Italy has a deal with the North African countries which has halved that route.

So, some schemes do work.

UK will get nowhere suggesting deals with other countries e.g. in North Africa etc. The do-gooders and lawyers are all over these suggestions, therefore they end up going nowhere.

It's what I said before, the very laws and legislation set up to protect can have the opposite effect. Like a landlord wanting to get a tenant out who isn't paying their rent, however the tenant knows their rights and stays put month in month out.

 

[MNW67]

Genuine refugees don't arrive in UK.
Genuine refugees approach the authorities as soon as they arrive in a safe country.
Last time I checked, EU countries were considered safe.
The ones arriving in UK are economic migrants, here just to milk the system.

That's just silly. Some are genuine refugees. But I don't know the proportion.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

The illegals are simply taking the p++s out of the good, generous people of the UK. Drastic problems, demand drastic and urgent actions - yet no sign of either from the UK government, time for them to resign.

This, exactly this. We're allergic to taking drastic measures, so the p1ss taking continues. Not helped by the wokey left.

 

[MNW67]

This, exactly this. We're allergic to taking drastic measures, so the p1ss taking continues. Not helped by the wokey left.

What drastic measures would you like us to try.

Would you consider a scheme where we agree to accept say 20,000 genuine refugees a year from France in return for them completely stopping the boats.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

UK will get nowhere suggesting deals with other countries e.g. in North Africa etc. The do-gooders and lawyers are all over these suggestions, therefore they end up going nowhere.

It's what I said before, the very laws and legislation set up to protect can have the opposite effect. Like a landlord wanting to get a tenant out who isn't paying their rent, however the tenant knows their rights and stays put month in month out.

The only way, is to deny them the ability to land on the UK, in the first place..

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

That's just silly. Some are genuine refugees. But I don't know the proportion.

No, that is the honest truth! They only come here, to milk the UK system.

 

[denso13]

No, that is the honest truth! They only come here, to milk the UK system.

We only get a small proportion, that is demonstrably not true.

 

[MNW67]

No, that is the honest truth! They only come here, to milk the UK system.

Both can be true. They can be genuine refugees and also believe that the UK is the most generous system. I believe most are economic migrants. But many are still genuine refugees.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

What drastic measures would you like us to try.

Would you consider a scheme where we agree to accept say 20,000 genuine refugees a year from France in return for them completely stopping the boats.

Allocate a few billion £ to the issue. I've said before:

Multiple coastal patrol boats.
Multiple coastal patrols (on land).
Drone patrols to assist our boat and land patrols.
Clean, safe, basic accommodation built on disused land e.g. old airfields etc.
More staff to assess/process claims.
All of the above properly staffed.
Immigrants to be housed in the aforementioned accommodation until their application process is concluded.

France is never going to do anything concerted to stop them coming across, so we need a robust system our side.

 

[MNW67]

Allocate a few billion £ to the issue. I've said before:

Multiple coastal patrol boats.
Multiple coastal patrols (on land).
Drone patrols to assist our boat and land patrols.
Clean, safe, basic accommodation built on disused land e.g. old airfields etc.
More staff to assess/process claims.
All of the above properly staffed.
Immigrants to be housed in the aforementioned accommodation until their application process is concluded.

France is never going to do anything concerted to stop them coming across, so we need a robust system our side.

Is the objective with the ones in bold to stop the boats at the maritime border and prevent them entering British waters. What some call pushback.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Is the objective with the ones in bold to stop the boats at the maritime border and prevent them entering British waters. What some call pushback.

Nope. That's never going to happen and could be inhumane in certain scenarios. With Operation Stop 'Em the goal of the patrols is to ensure 100% of those trying to enter illegally from France are safely picked up, accommodated and processed.

Something else we need to tighten up on is the acceptance criteria.