Apprenticeships

[durhamplumber]

My college days,in the 80s,,,craft apprecentice was deemed as second best to full time HND in engineering etc..Looking back,,no comparison...apprecenticeship,,streets ahead..

 

[Bodd]

nothing

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  No thing; not anything: The box contained nothing. I've heard nothing about it.
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  No part; no portion: Nothing remains of the old house but the cellar hole.
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  One of no consequence, significance, or interest: The new nonsmoking policy is nothing to me.

 

[Mottie]

There was a woman from Essex on the radio yesterday, moaning bitterly that 'immigrants had depressed wages. Her husband was a plasterer and reckons the wage he could earn almost halved because new build sites could get Polish plasterers for that much less money. I dont know if that is true.

Don’t know about plasterers but a bloke down my road used to be a painter, just a tosher that toshes out new builds etc. He gave up about 18 months ago as there were too many immigrants willing to work a 10 hour day for £80 and according to him, it ****ed the whole toshing trade up. I could imagine it to be similar in most building trades.

 

[JP_]

Many people are on £8 an hour, or less. Minimum wage is currently £7.83. While it's that low, employers will pay it whenever they can. And get an 18-20 year old to slap the paint on the walls, and you only need to pay them £5.60 an hour.

Again, blame the government for setting a low minimum wage and making housing, energy travel, and food all unaffordable, not the workers who are willing (rarely happy) to earn it.

"The Low Pay Commission estimates that there were 1.9 million jobs paid at or below the NMW in April 2017, around 6.7% of all employee jobs.
Jobs paid around the minimum wage are concentrated within a small number of low-paying occupations. The Low Pay Commission estimates that half of all jobs paying at or below the minimum wage are in retail, hospitality and cleaning & maintenance occupations." https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7735

Maybe there is a better system. Hmmm...

 

[durhamplumber]

Many people are on £8 an hour, or less. Minimum wage is currently £7.83. While it's that low, employers will pay it whenever they can. And get an 18-20 year old to slap the paint on the walls, and you only need to pay them £5.60 an hour.

Again, blame the government for setting a low minimum wage and making housing, energy travel, and food all unaffordable, not the workers who are willing (rarely happy) to earn it.

"The Low Pay Commission estimates that there were 1.9 million jobs paid at or below the NMW in April 2017, around 6.7% of all employee jobs.
Jobs paid around the minimum wage are concentrated within a small number of low-paying occupations. The Low Pay Commission estimates that half of all jobs paying at or below the minimum wage are in retail, hospitality and cleaning & maintenance occupations." https://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7735

Maybe there is a better system. Hmmm...

Increase wages,, lower benefits......to nil if you not at least pavement sweeping.I should be PM!

 

[JP_]

to nil if you not at least pavement sweeping

Does that include child benefit, benefits for pregnant women, pensioners, disabled, people with heart problems, the blind ...

At least we'll have clean pavements. That's what other countries do well - make everything look great on the surface while exploiting the desperate and abandoning the impoverished.
Let's be more like all those countries we usually bomb for failing on human rights!

 

[durhamplumber]

Does that include child benefit, benefits for pregnant women, pensioners, disabled people with heart problems, the blind ...

At least we'll have clean pavements. That's what other countries do well - make everything look great on the surface while exploiting the desperate and abandoning the impoverished.
Let's be more like all those countries we usually bomb for failing on human rights!

Benefit for 1st child.defo not for 2nd...pregnant,, no way....pensioners..yes.disabled, v tricky one,people with heart probs,,,,(huge variation,, v tricky)blind,....will think about that some more...Autism, bolox,,,adhd,,defo bolox,,,dyslexia,, hadaway and s$#ite,, paternity leave,,,,Rofllllllllll.

 

[JP_]

Autism bolox? That is extreme. I have some friends with autistic children, varying levels. But all the kids will need support throughout their lives, some will need 24/7 care.
What do you have against autism? You do know it can be very serious, don't you? Best read this before sending them all out to work.

 

[SirGalahad]

DP still doesn't get it. Two thirds of our welfare payments are on Pensioners.

The NHS spends most of its money on over 50s.

Then factor in many people willing to work are caught in the welfare trap.

You are not a smart plumber if you keep focusing on the wrong areas. I hope your not one of the crappy plumbers I had to go through until I found an honest reliable one.

 

[mattylad]

So what is an apprenticeship now?

From what I can see its just a chance for an employer to get very cheap labour to do all the crap jobs for little wage.
They get an education at college, at work they get to do crap jobs and learn the bad habits from the good for nothings they have to work with.
Not in house training, just shown what to do and left to it.

From what I currently see, an apprenticeship means little.

 

[JP_]

Where I work (computing etc) it helps get people into this field that would normally be under qualified, or too poorly educated to get a role. Taking apprenticeships on from school, giving them training and supporting them in college to get meaningful qualifications, gets them started in a career that would not normally be open to them.

Taken 2 on here, both 18 year old women with A levels, and both still here as full time employees. Both were in poorly paid retail jobs before joining us - retail is notorious for being poorly paid and offering next to no hope of career progression for most workers.

 

[durhamplumber]

DP still doesn't get it. Two thirds of our welfare payments are on Pensioners.

The NHS spends most of its money on over 50s.

Then factor in many people willing to work are caught in the welfare trap.

You are not a smart plumber if you keep focusing on the wrong areas. I hope your not one of the crappy plumbers I had to go through until I found an honest reliable one.

Still leaves a 1/3...lot of dosh!!.

 

[durhamplumber]

The NHS spends most of its money on over 50s.

Most??.....

 

[durhamplumber]

DP still doesn't get it. Two thirds of our welfare payments are on Pensioners.

The NHS spends most of its money on over 50s.

Then factor in many people willing to work are caught in the welfare trap.

You are not a smart plumber if you keep focusing on the wrong areas. I hope your not one of the crappy plumbers I had to go through until I found an honest reliable one.

Im honest and reliable for sure!!!..smart....I amaze myself sometimes!..

 

[durhamplumber]

Then factor in many people willing to work are caught in the welfare trap.

And factor in the lazy sods,100% able bodied,,who retire and have never worked!.. but own their own home,car,50"tv,allotment,etc etc....how much do they cost the country?