Boris and the Brexit Gaffe.

[securespark]

What. A. Cök.

The trouble is, if he says things with a straight face, some believe him.

WTF?

 

[Deleted member 174758]

I presume you are talking about that crass and insensitive ramble he delivered at the Winter Gardens? He manage to be simultaneously insulting to the Ukrainian people, European leaders and countries who want to join Europe, not to mention the sizeable minority who voted Remain (so no surprise there)

Comparing people in Ukraine with Brexit voters by saying that Ukrainians are fighting tyrany in the same way people voting for Brexit did is so crass, insensitive and insulting. Ukraine is fighting for the right of self determination, for the right to join the EU, and many are dying every day. Brexiteers went to the polls and ticked a box - to date I haven't heard of any dying from doing that... And in the case of Britain, I seem to recall Putin calling on Britain to get Brexit done, repeatedly

This is like spitting right in the face of those thousands of Ukrainians who have just lost their lives, homes or families. It's disgraceful

The only similarity between Brexit and the invasion of Ukraine is that Putin ordered both.

 

[noseall]

The only similarity between Brexit and the invasion of Ukraine is that Putin ordered both.

Correct.
Right wingers and Brexers love a murderous dictator.

 

[Notch7]

The only similarity between Brexit and the invasion of Ukraine is that Putin ordered both

Brexit supporters, otherwise known as Putins minions will deny it, I’m sure

 

[noseall]

Brexit supporters, otherwise known as Putins minions will deny it, I’m sure

Putineers, Trumpists, Borris/Brexers are all the same stamp. Deny all they like.

 

[securespark]

I presume you are talking about that crass and insensitive ramble he delivered at the Winter Gardens? He manage to be simultaneously insulting to the Ukrainian people, European leaders and countries who want to join Europe, not to mention the sizeable minority who voted Remain (so no surprise there)

Comparing people in Ukraine with Brexit voters by saying that Ukrainians are fighting tyrany in the same way people voting for Brexit did is so crass, insensitive and insulting.

That's the one. Utter imbecile. Yet some lap it up. Unbelievable.

 

[fillyboy]

You chaps should listen to the whole speech, you clearly don't understand the words and have accepted The Guardians ridiculous version.

This is like spitting right in the face of those thousands of Ukrainians who have just lost their lives, homes or families. It's disgraceful

You do know the Ukranian Ambassador applauded the speech, you do know that don't you?

 

[noseall]

You do know the Ukranian Ambassador applauded the speech

The translated version…?

 

[Deleted member 174758]

You shouldn't believe what Sajiv Javid says @gone - at least three news services called him out this morning for altering the facts to suit the circumstances whilst the Chancellor seems to have flip-flopped his story depending on who he was talking to

I did listen to the speech, or enough of it. I don't read the Guardian, and haven't bought one for maybe 15 years (my on line news feed includes some articles from them, but Bloomberg, the New York Times, the Telegraph, the Indy, the Sun and even the Mirror are represented - I don't read it all), but I do read some of the NRC Handelsblad and de Telegraaf (Dutch) on line most days to get s Dut h perspective as well as watching Deutsche Welle, Aljazeerah and Sky News. We'll leave the British newspaper I read out of it as I haven't read it since Friday's edition. From what I can gather people in Europe feel grossly insulted and seem to think Boris is a turd the way some people here do. Or do they all read the Grauniad, too? Either way Biden has been invited to the EU summit next week, Johnson hasn't. Says it all

 

[JohnD]

 

[fillyboy]

This is like spitting right in the face of those thousands of Ukrainians who have just lost their lives, homes or families. It's disgraceful

No, you're spitting in the faces of Ukranians. The Ukranians are applauding Boris, you might not like that, you clearly don't, but that is the reality.

From what I can gather people in Europe feel grossly insulted and seem to think Boris is a turd

Macron, Verhofstadt, the usual suspects, quelle surprise.

Either way Biden has been invited to the EU summit next week, Johnson hasn't. Says it all

Biden's there to kick the collective EU @rses over their inaction on oil oil and gas sanctions, but don't panic, it will be Johnson who Biden wants to talk to at the NATO summit in Brussels next week.

 

[The Samaritan]

You shouldn't believe what Sajiv Javid says @gone - at least three news services called him out this morning for altering the facts to suit the circumstances whilst the Chancellor seems to have flip-flopped his story depending on who he was talking to

I did listen to the speech, or enough of it. I don't read the Guardian, and haven't bought one for maybe 15 years (my on line news feed includes some articles from them, but Bloomberg, the New York Times, the Telegraph, the Indy, the Sun and even the Mirror are represented - I don't read it all), but I do read some of the NRC Handelsblad and de Telegraaf (Dutch) on line most days to get s Dut h perspective as well as watching Deutsche Welle, Aljazeerah and Sky News. We'll leave the British newspaper I read out of it as I haven't read it since Friday's edition. From what I can gather people in Europe feel grossly insulted and seem to think Boris is a turd the way some people here do. Or do they all read the Grauniad, too? Either way Biden has been invited to the EU summit next week, Johnson hasn't. Says it all

Thank you. They deserve each other.

 

[fillyboy]

There are some on here whose hatred of Boris has clearly become a mental health issue, I urge them to seek help.
Littlejohn sums it up nicely.

RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The Boys in the Bubble are in a ludicrous fit (msn.com)

This is another one of those days when it’s difficult to know where to start. Never underestimate the ability of our political class to disappear up their own backsides.

As hypersonic bombs rained down on Ukraine, the Westminster village spent the weekend convulsed in a ludicrous fit of faux outrage over Boris and Brexit.

The catalyst was a speech the Prime Minister gave in Blackpool, in which he had the audacity to say the vote to leave the EU in 2016 demonstrated the British and Ukrainian people shared a belief in freedom and the right to self-determination.

It was blindingly obvious that Boris was talking about a common aspiration, not drawing parallels between a democratic peacetime referendum and armed resistance to an unprovoked foreign invasion.

As the Health Secretary Sajid Javid said yesterday: ‘I don’t think in any way he was connecting the situations in Ukraine and the UK. Most normal people listening wouldn’t have drawn that conclusion.’

Trouble is, when it comes to the political class you’re not dealing with normal people. You are dealing with a cohort of blinkered self-obsessives for whom Boris and Brexit-bashing is their default position.

With depressing predictability, the Bubble went ballistic, demanding that Johnson apologise and withdraw his remarks. The Twittersphere and the airwaves lit up like the night sky over Kyiv.

Ian Blackford, the porky pub bore who leads Wee Burney’s Toytown Tartanistas at Westminster, called the speech ‘morally repugnant’. Embittered Tory Remoaners, denied career advancement under Boris, piled in. Her Majesty’s Official Opposition had an attack of the vapours.

That paragon of veracity Alastair Campbell — Lord Dodgy of Dossier and a man who knows all about illegal wars — took time off from banging on about his mental health issues to accuse the Prime Minister of ‘debasing’ himself.

Back to the puzzle factory, Ally.

Remoaners were given free rein by the BBC to peddle their false narrative. On Not The Andrew Marr Show, Sophie Raworth allowed Shadow Chancellor Rachel Reeves to deliver an uninterrupted party political broadcast on behalf of the Labour Party.

When it was Chancellor Rishi Sunak’s turn, Raworth tried five times to get him to disown Boris’s remarks before moving on to the more pressing business of tackling the cost-of-living crisis. Even then, she couldn’t let him go without asking whether Boris should resign if he gets a fixed-penalty notice over Partygate. Don’t these people ever take a day off?

The Guardian breathlessly reported the ‘fury’ of superannuated Eurocrats Donald Tusk and Guy Verhofstadt, who curiously enough described the Prime Minister as ‘insane’.

In tomorrow’s Guardian: What Bears Do In The Woods — Exclusive! Two serious Sunday newspapers decided the fake furore over the speech was the most important story in the world over the weekend.

Underlying all this bogus ‘controversy’ was the clear implication that if only Britain had voted to stay in the EU, the Russian invasion would never have happened.

Don’t blame Putin, blame Boris.

That decrepit old federast Michael Heseltine said: ‘I am ashamed the country that within my lifetime saved European democracy has now absented itself and others must now determine Europe’s response.’

Time for your nap, Hezza.

On the contrary, Britain has led the European response, sending tens of millions of pounds worth of arms and support to Ukraine and rallying international backing for tough economic sanctions. Our Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has played a blinder. We couldn’t have done more, short of military intervention.

Boris may be a pariah in the imagination of his political enemies at home, but he’s a national hero in Ukraine — the most popular politician after their President Zelensky.

Sadly, the Boris-bashers can’t see beyond their own domestic hatred and jealousy. Elsewhere, the usual suspects are lining up to attack the Tories for not taking in enough refugees, ignoring the fact that, Ireland aside, Britain is the furthest point west from Ukraine.

They also disregard the 150,000 British people who have responded magnificently to the Government’s appeal to open their homes to Ukrainians fleeing the war.

Oh, I almost forgot. It has also been reported in the most censorious terms that on the night before the Russian invasion the Conservatives held a fundraising dinner in London.

Boris turned up for ten minutes and gave a brief speech before making his excuses and leaving.

What is the point of this story? That a dinner which must have taken months to organise should have been cancelled on the off-chance that war might break out in Ukraine the following morning?

Talk about clutching at straws.

Surely it’s not too much to hope that at a time of international crisis, with Ukraine in flames and a nuclear-armed dictator threatening to ignite World War III, our navel-gazing political class might forget their petty, point-scoring parochial prejudices and take their heads out of their own backsides for five minutes.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

No, you're spitting in the faces of Ukranians. The Ukranians are applauding Boris, you might not like that, you clearly don't, but that is the reality.

Don't delude yourself - where did you read that? What's the betting you have never spoken to a Ukrainian in your life. The couple of guys I know quite well don't view Johnson as anything other than a Putin apologist who talks big, then does nothing. Their English really is that good. His image isn't helped by the local TV in the North West and Yorkshire carrying stories about Ukrainians living here really struggling to get family members to safety here and how bloody awkward our government is being, so yes, that doesn't impress anyone

Macron, Verhofstadt, the usual suspects, quelle surprise.

I don't read the French press (my French is a little too rusty for that) so I have no idea about what Macron has said - but I am aware of what Donald Tusk, Lord Barwell (Con), Sir Ed Davy (Lib-Dem) and Alexander Stubb (former PM of Finland) have said.

Europe sees Johnson as untrustworthy, vain, fickle and hypocritical - and we as a nation are judged in the same light for having elected him.

Biden's there to kick the collective EU @rses over their inaction on oil oil and gas sanctions, but don't panic, it will be Johnson who Biden wants to talk to at the NATO summit in Brussels next week.

Biden is there because the EU invited him - they haven't invited Johnson, and in any case it isn't NATO which will be imposing sanctions, but the EU and individual nations

For your benefit, here's the full speech (note the comments @ 4:40 about a vote for Brexit being a vote to be free, like the people of Ukraine, WTF?)

No comparison, and the rest of the speech includes a series of half-truths and distortions (e,g the repeated lie @ 7:10 that we are in the lead in sanctions - and yes, I listened to a lot of it and had to go and wash my brain out with half an hour of Ramstein and several large tots of single malt afterwards to swash the unicornms out of my brain and get back to normality, although the wife just said I was ****ed). One thing Johnson isn't, is diplomatic.

Anyway, here are the headlines from The Mail On-Line: "Boris Johnson 'regrets' comparing Ukraine war to Brexit amid political outcry - as Sajid Javid defends remarks in conference speech saying the PM was just explaining 'the desire for self-determination in everyone", whilst the BBC On-Line ran with, "Ukraine war: Boris Johnson sparks fury after comparison to Brexit" and the Express has run with, "Boris excluded from crucial Biden-EU Summit over 'desparately insulting' Brexit quip"

So much for Global Britain - more like Putin's Pariah Bestie Britain based on letters in the European press today. At least we now have proof positive (were it really needed) to those who weren't aware just what a lying, worm-tongued, toady our Health Secretary really is.

I read your previous daiatribe, and it really is a diatribe, You appear to be in denial of so many things that I can only hope you find your unicorns when you get to la-la land coz; there ain't any here

 

[noseall]

Don't delude yourself - where did you read that? What's the betting you have never spoken to a Ukrainian in your life. The couple of guys I know quite well don't view Johnson as anything other than a Putin apologist who talks big, then does nothing. Their English really is that good. His image isn't helped by the local TV in the North West and Yorkshire carrying stories about Ukrainians living here really struggling to get family members to safety here and how bloody awkward our government is being, so yes, that doesn't impress anyone


I don't read the French press (my French is a little too rusty for that) so I have no idea about what Macron has said - but I am aware of what Donald Tusk, Lord Barwell (Con), Sir Ed Davy (Lib-Dem) and Alexander Stubb (former PM of Finland) have said.

Europe sees Johnson as untrustworthy, vain, fickle and hypocritical - and we as a nation are judged in the same light for having elected him.


Biden is there because the EU invited him - they haven't invited Johnson, and in any case it isn't NATO which will be imposing sanctions, but the EU and individual nations

For your benefit, here's the full speech (note the comments @ 4:40 about a vote for Brexit being a vote to be free, like the people of Ukraine, WTF?)

No comparison, and the rest of the speech includes a series of half-truths and distortions (e,g the repeated lie @ 7:10 that we are in the lead in sanctions - and yes, I listened to a lot of it and had to go and wash my brain out with half an hour of Ramstein and several large tots of single malt afterwards to swash the unicornms out of my brain and get back to normality, although the wife just said I was ****ed). One thing Johnson isn't, is diplomatic.

Anyway, here are the headlines from The Mail On-Line: "Boris Johnson 'regrets' comparing Ukraine war to Brexit amid political outcry - as Sajid Javid defends remarks in conference speech saying the PM was just explaining 'the desire for self-determination in everyone", whilst the BBC On-Line ran with, "Ukraine war: Boris Johnson sparks fury after comparison to Brexit" and the Express has run with, "Boris excluded from crucial Biden-EU Summit over 'desparately insulting' Brexit quip"

So much for Global Britain - more like Putin's Pariah Bestie Britain based on letters in the European press today. At least we now have proof positive (were it really needed) to those who weren't aware just what a lying, worm-tongued, toady our Health Secretary really is.

I read your previous daiatribe, and it really is a diatribe, You appear to be in denial of so many things that I can only hope you find your unicorns when you get to la-la land coz; there ain't any here

OOF! (@gone). Ouch.