Brainwashing

[Odds]

Of course it has. A lot of the uncomfortable passages promoting slavery, genocide and rape, for example, have been dropped. So much for God's word...

The whole earth was affected, "And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered. The waters prevailed above the mountains, covering them fifteen cubits deep". I'm guessing tens of millions, but you can correct me on that.

The flood "story" is very similar to old Babylonian accounts of a Great Flood, including the Epic of Gilgamesh. It predates the earliest Old Testament accounts by more than a thousand years. Funny how stories which predate the bible often appear.

Is that the entire planet, or 'the whole earth' from the narrators perspective?

I've read the Gilgamesh epic and it's a natural evolution for the way stories are retold for generations, becoming entwined with each culture that absorbs them. If you ever get time, have a listen to Irving Finkel talk about the Flood and his demonstration of how the Ark could've been built according to the specifications found in the Bible.

 

[denso13]

Is that the entire planet, or 'the whole earth' from the narrators perspective?

Confusing, eh?

I've read the Gilgamesh epic and it's a natural evolution for the way stories are retold for generations, becoming entwined with each culture that absorbs them. If you ever get time, have a listen to Irving Finkel talk about the Flood and his demonstration of how the Ark could've been built according to the specifications found in the Bible.

Yes, the same stories perpetuate history, and importantly, for me, some predate the bible.

BTW, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. We believe different things, it happens sometimes...

 

[Dork Lard]

Ephesians 5:22

Kinda makes you wonder why God hasn't been cancelled yet?

 

[denso13]

Ephesians 5:22

Kinda makes you wonder why God hasn't been cancelled yet?

That one has mostly been dropped as well, not by all right enough.

 

[Odds]

Confusing, eh?

Yes, the same stories perpetuate history, and importantly, for me, some predate the bible.

BTW, I'm not trying to convince you of anything. We believe different things, it happens sometimes...

The older stories get lumped into the Old T., which is why i tend to avoid discussion on it in regard to Catholicism, as that's covered by the New T.
Nobody 'proves' God on the Interweb...or anywhere else, for that matter.
And i haven't mentioned what i 'believe', either.

 

[denso13]

Catholicism

They aren't even christians, or so I was taught...

 

[Odds]

Ephesians 5:22

Kinda makes you wonder why God hasn't been cancelled yet?

At a cricket lunch last week the former Sussex captain, John Barclay, revealed that Sir Geoffrey Boycott asked him before the match whether or not he was religious. Barclay replied that he prayed before going to bed. "I've based my career on the first psalm," the great man replied.
Barclay looked it up later to find it begins: "Blessed is the man who does not walk..."

 

[Odds]

They aren't even christians, or so I was taught...

Which kind of Protestant taught such things?

 

[denso13]

Which kind of Protestant taught such things?

A christian one. Just following the scriptures...

 

[Odds]

A christian one. Just following the scriptures...

OoOo goOody a guessing game: Methodist?

 

[denso13]

OoOo goOody a guessing game

Calvinist Presbyterian...

 

[Odds]

Calvinist Presbyterian...

Swipe me! no wonder you've become an Unbeliever. Calvinists don't exactly take a softly-softly attitude to the Almighty, do they?
I seem to recall a footstool and angry words in their doctrine but try to keep my distance from their fire n' brimstone.
My grandparents were Wesleyan Methodists, incurably tee-total but quietly devout on the whole. I still have the bible she gave me a lifetime ago and i'd like to make a trip to Jerusalem just to savour the history. Taking in the sights and the stories with a large pinch of Dead Sea salt.

 

[denso13]

Calvinists don't exactly take a softly-softly attitude to the Almighty, do they?

Perhaps, but you knew where they were coming from, generally.

None of this namby pamby pick what bits you like system of beliefs.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

What's your thoughts on Islam, odds ?

Believe it and follow the rules laid down ?

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Physics.
It's a pointless question.
You end up getting asked where your god came from.
If you have a god, you needs a god's god, and god's god's god. That silly, so by induction there can't be a god.

YES BUT... where does Physics come from? And where does God's god's god's god come from? You are avoiding the real question.

That a person with such a vastly superior intellect as yourself dismisses my question by calling me silly is rather disappointing. 4/10.

Andy 5 million people are not out of work…..
there are lots of people who get benefits: even full time workers.

Read the article Notch - 5.2 million on out-of-work benefits. The article is a response to claim by an organisation called "Full Fact" who said that the figure "seemed incorrect". The figure is broken down into each type of benefit and comes from the DWP's own data.

you’ve quoted the Spectator, which is basically a right wing mouthpiece,.

You say that as if it is a taken-as-read massively withering insult, which it isn't. It's not even an insult. Only 3% of the population espouse the type of extreme left views on crime, immigration, employment and money that you do, and many of that 3% are the Government.