Chimney Breast - Load Bearing or not?

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Hi, I asked about this in an older post but rather than reopen an old post I thought it would be best to start a new post with some new information.

I have moved into an old Victorian house, which has two chimney breasts / fireplaces in the current bedrooms. I want to remove them to open up some more space in the bedrooms for wardrobes etc.

From what I gather, originally the chimney breasts / fireplaces raised up and curved to form one chimney stack which then shot up through the roof. The curved / arched section is visible from the hallway separating the two rooms on the ceiling. The breasts are also against a load bearing wall - not sure how it is tied to the wall. The other side of the load bearing wall is another room with no breast.

Around 40 odd years ago a loft conversion was carried out, so the chimney stack was completely removed from the roof, and was further taken down from inside the loft down to floor level (or ceiling level at ground floor). Then floorboards were just layed on top of existing joists and bridle to make the new rooms floor.

So all that remains is a breast in each room, with the arched section joining the two.

I'm looking to remove the chimney breasts but keep the load bearing wall obviously. I'd imagine I'd just be removing 3 sides unless the chimney is somehow not tied to the load bearing wall?

Does anyone have any knowledge if what is remaining is likely to be load bearing?

Very annoyingly I have already had a structural engineer take a look, and he couldn't tell me if it was or wasn't! And they aren't exactly cheap!

I have attached photos of the joists and bridle of what's left if that helps. Also a rough sketch of the floorplan. For reference the timber with the hammer lying on it is the bridle and the main joists run the other way. I can try to add more photos if nessessary but this was the best I could get without gutting out the room.

Hope someone can shed some light on this!

Thanks
 

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It looks as if the remnants of the chimney maybe offering support to the first floor timbers, so they may need some support if the chney below is taken out..
Well things are getting blurred by the malt, and a mega post did not help.

If the floor has been altered to bear on the remnant of the breast then it should be obvious. It seems an engineer had been out and presumably his retinas were working.
 
Well things are getting blurred by the malt, and a mega post did not help.

If the floor has been altered to bear on the remnant of the breast then it should be obvious. It seems an engineer had been out and presumably his retinas were working.

From the looks of it the floor has not been altered and looks original (minus the small bits of wood covering the hole of the chimney for the floor boards to lay on)
 
If the red bit is the breast to be removed what is happening where the green dot is?

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If the red bit is the breast to be removed what is happening where the green dot is?

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Sorry should of made that bit clearer.

The green dot is where the load bearing wall is, which runs the length of the room.

The other side (bottom of the pic where the hammer is) is where the breast sits
 
The green dot is where the load bearing wall is, which runs the length of the room.

The other side (bottom of the pic where the hammer is) is where the breast sits

All of those timber joists are relying upon the chimney breast for support.

New timber will have to be added, properly keyed and bolted to the existing timbers.
 
Still clear as mud. But it looks like the joists are trimmed around the breast, if that's the breast and that's a trimmer.
 

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