Corbyn criticised by his own mps about Russia

[Lower]

Not to follow those CWC procedures weakens your case and opens up the possibility of counter allegations.

This isn't a legal battle. This is attempted murder and an attack on our country.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

This isn't a legal battle. This is attempted murder and an attack on our country.

Oxymoron alert.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Blair had an agenda and found evidence to support his agenda.

TM does not have an agenda?

Unless the chemical weapons experts at Porton Down have lied about what the chemical agent is,

Of course the secret services do not lie about WMD, chemical weapons. They are beyond reproach.

 

[banjodeano]

Corbyn has had access to the intelligence reports. Everyone who has, agrees it's the Russians. Except Corbyn.

Our allies agree, other nations agree, except Corbyn.

He does not trust the police, the armed services, the chemical weapons experts by his failure to agree their findings. They can't trust him to support them, we can't trust him to support the UK.

And that does not need any further evidence.

Everyone agreed about weapons of mass destruction....erm, except Corbyn

 

[^woody^]

Everyone agreed about weapons of mass destruction....erm, except Corbyn

Everyone agreed about the genocide in Kosovo .... erm, except Corbyn

 

[Lower]

TM does not have an agenda?




Of course the secret services do not lie about WMD, chemical weapons. They are beyond reproach.

Of course Theresa May has an agenda. I believe her agenda is defending our country, not sticking to some outdated, unrealistic, political principle that leaves us weak on a global scale.

With regard to the security services, if you're not prepared to support the people who put their lives on the line to defend us and make us safe, go live somewhere else. I hear Russia is a great place to live. Particularly democratic and the cuisine is nice.

 

[vinty]

It was polonium in the case of Yasser Arafat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_of_Yasser_Arafat's_death

If polonium was used to kill Arafat then it shows that it just isn't Russia that has access to sophisticated weapons of this type.
TM was a bit quick Russian (pardon the pun) to judgement, it seems that these nerve agents were developed by the Russians for ease of manufacture ,that the agent in question has not killed anyone yet and hopefully that will remain the case could be down to the fact that it was impure or defective in some way.

 

[vinty]

Blair had an agenda and found evidence to support his agenda.

We've had a sophisticated chemical weapon, developed by Russia, used on in our own country that has injured an innocent policeman who went to aid the individuals involved in the attack. This is not a war overseas, this is something that has happened here.

Unless the chemical weapons experts at Porton Down have lied about what the chemical agent is, what further evidence do you need? Russia has either used the chemical weapon or lost control of a chemical weapon. The former is an attack directly on us, the latter demands an apology from Russia which has been noticeably absent. In fact, Russia have been aggressive in their response.

In my opinion, Theresa May has been quite restrained in her response. She did not jump to a conclusion, she waited for the evidence to be gathered by our security services and then acted on it.

Do the experts at Porton Down have samples of Russian nerve agents to compare with samples found at the crime scene.

 

[^woody^]

If polonium was used to kill Arafat then it shows that it just isn't Russia that has access to sophisticated weapons of this type.

Is that something for another thread and misposted? That conspiracy theory has no relevance to the current confirmed specific, non-naturally occuring nerve agent from a Russian lab.

 

[^woody^]

Do the experts at Porton Down have samples of Russian nerve agents to compare with samples found at the crime scene.

They don't need samples for comparsion. They know the structure.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

If polonium was used to kill Arafat then it shows that it just isn't Russia that has access to sophisticated weapons of this type.

Israel is not a signatory to CWC.

 

[Lower]

Do the experts at Porton Down have samples of Russian nerve agents to compare with samples found at the crime scene.

Do you seriously think that we would have actual samples of another countries top secret nerve agent that they officially deny that they ever made?

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Everyone agreed about the genocide in Kosovo .... erm, except Corbyn

With the Nato bombing over, international teams descended upon Kosovo to exhume the "holocaust". The FBI failed to find a single mass grave and went home. The Spanish forensic team did the same, its leader angrily denouncing "a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines". A year later, Del Ponte's tribunal announced the final count of the dead in Kosovo: 2,788. This included combatants on both sides and Serbs and Roma murdered by the KLA. There was no genocide in Kosovo. The "holocaust" was a lie. The Nato attack had been fraudulent.

https://www.newstatesman.com/europe/2008/08/pilger-kosovo-war-nato-serbs

Sounds like WMD in Iraq.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Is that something for another thread and misposted? That conspiracy theory has no relevance to the current confirmed specific, non-naturally occuring nerve agent from a Russian lab.

According to a journalist from the Swiss daily newspaper Le Temps, Luis Lema, the Swiss experts had concluded that on a probability scale ranging from one to six, death by polonium poisoning was around five
Derek Hill, a professor in radiological science at University College London who was not involved in the investigation, said: "I would say it's clearly not overwhelming proof, and there is a risk of contamination (of the samples), but it is a pretty strong signal. ... It seems likely what they're doing is putting a very cautious interpretation of strong data."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_of_Yasser_Arafat's_death
One could say, "it is highly likely", or that "there is no other credible alternative explanation".

 

[Lower]

If polonium was used to kill Arafat then it shows that it just isn't Russia that has access to sophisticated weapons of this type.

Polonium and Novichoks are very different animals. Polonium was discovered in 1898 and its toxicity became well known soon after.

Novichoks were developed as a weapon in the 1970-80's to defeat NATO Nuclear, Biological and Chemical protectionkit, to circumvent the Chemical Weapons convention and to be safer to handle. Its a far more sophisticated weapon and much harder to detect.