Diesels

[JP_]

My dad hates diesels, so whenever I mention a potential car to him, he dismisses it instantly if it is a diesel.

Are they really a problem? I know they are no longer being made, but if I buy a diesel now with the hope that it gets me through the next 5 years, that won't be a problem?

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[just pumps]

Compare the cost of buying each, how many miles per year do you cover and cost of both fuels and servicing over next 5yrs. Think it was once said that you had to do 18k a year to make the case for a diesel car.

 

[Stivino]

I have a diesel and don't do a high mileage but, I don't care if it costs me more because, I like the way the power and torque comes in. I couldn't get the same from a petrol unless I had an engine twice the size.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I have a diesel and don't do a high mileage but, I don't care if it costs me more because, I like the way the power and torque comes in. I couldn't get the same from a petrol unless I had an engine twice the size.

Me too, but they say a 2L is equivalent of a 3L petrol. The calculation is based on the cost new, used it becomes much more economic for less mileage per year. The only downside is that because diesels are so efficient, they need a much longer run before the engine is properly warmed up - maybe five times the distance. So a diesel isn't really a good car for very local use.

 

[Mottie]

We’ve got a Golf 1.9 diesel that does roughly 55mpg and an Audi A3 1.4 petrol that does about 45-50 ish (only had it a few weeks). We’ve had diesel cars only since 2006 - Focus, a couple of Golfs, Freelander 2, Evoque but diesels are being hammered now with tax and emission charges. After October, I won’t be able to go to my workshop in the Golf without paying £12.50 per day ULEZ charge. Friends who live in the area of my workshop also have to pay an emission based permit just to park outside their own house plus a residents parking permit and I can see that happening in other boroughs. I don’t think I’d buy another diesel nowdays.

 

[Stivino]

If I was in your shoes, Mottie, I wouldn't have one either.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I know they are no longer being made,

Have diesel cars ceased production, new diesels are still listed for sale?

 

[Stivino]

Of course they are still being made but they are falling out of favour.

 

[Mottie]

Have you noticed how there’s less and less difference between diesel and petrol at the pumps these days? Around 2p a litre round my way. I’m sure petrol was a lot cheaper than diesel when we had two diesels.

 

[Stivino]

I paid £1.25/Lt for diesel this morning in Sainsbury's.

 

[sxturbo]

Really modern diesels need to do long journeys, they don't like short stop starts, it clogs everything up and when they go wrong they do cost considerably more than a petrol, amd most garages still struggle to diagnose issues correctly, and tend to just Chuck parts at them until the fault is fixed, and more often than not the problem ends up getting masked as being fixed only to come back in a couple of weeks.

Our Mondeo pool car at work had best part of 4k spent on it year before last over the course of a year.

It was smoking heavily upon acceleration and going into limp mode. At the start we said it was the injectors needed replacing and the dog cleaned as a result.

Well the diesel specialist didn't want to trust our judgement and started out saying it was the 5th injector clogged up, replaced that for £600, a week later, oh the dog is blocked again and it won't regen, need a new dpf. Fit that for £600, a week later, the aftermarket dpf fitted isn't any good we advise to get a genuine one that's the problem, another 1200 quid (parts only).

2 weeks later, limp mode again, dog needs a regen oh and we think the turbo is faulty. Another 700.

Throughout ball this we kept saying are you sure it's not the injectors? Kept getting told we've checked them and they are fine.

Another couple of weeks go buy, dpf blocked again, oh it's the egr valve causing bit to coke up. So we decide to get it deleted and mapped out. Another 500

4 weeks later dpf blocks again, now we told them outright change the bloody injectors like we asked you at the start. 800

Problem solved. Luckily we are on account so we withheld payment until they agreed a considerable discount on all work carried out beforehand for their lack of diagnostic ability.

If the car is PCP or such like and you plan on replacing bit every couple of years then diesel is fine as everything is covered under warranty really, if buying outright I wouldn't bother, especially as petrols these days are so good on mph and power ratio.

That said the 6 cylinder diesels found in the prestige German cars are gorgeous, sound nice and Christ they are powerful. But they are like a private yacht will make you bankrupt given half a chance

 

[cdbe]

I've had diesels for years, older ones pre dpf and can't say they've cost any more to maintain than a petrol.

My wife's 1.9TDi VW Touran (2010, no DPF) does 45mpg round town (as it's barely been anywhere else this year), my sister's Zafira 1.4 petrol turbo does 25mpg - this saves us around £800/year.

The depreciation on older (but not too old so that they're not still presentable and reliable) bigger diesels is very low (probably more specifically the last of the VAG 1.9's than any Ford or newer PSA rubbish).

We're going to try and hang onto the diesels till electric make financial sense - but that would have to be compared to our current cheap motoring and not new petrol vs new electric. And we tow with both cars.

I think what will force our hand is Pay Per Mile, unless they scrap fuel duty at the same time, in which case we could be quids in again now that a lot of the free charging facilities seem to be being replaced by paying ones.

 

[chainsaw_masochist]

I've had diesels for years, older ones pre dpf and can't say they've cost any more to maintain than a petrol.

My wife's 1.9TDi VW Touran (2010, no DPF) does 45mpg round town (as it's barely been anywhere else this year), my sister's Zafira 1.4 petrol turbo does 25mpg - this saves us around £800/year.

The depreciation on older (but not too old so that they're not still presentable and reliable) bigger diesels is very low (probably more specifically the last of the VAG 1.9's than any Ford or newer PSA rubbish).

We're going to try and hang onto the diesels till electric make financial sense - but that would have to be compared to our current cheap motoring and not new petrol vs new electric. And we tow with both cars.

I think what will force our hand is Pay Per Mile, unless they scrap fuel duty at the same time, in which case we could be quids in again now that a lot of the free charging facilities seem to be being replaced by paying ones.

Well if you lived in the People's Republic of Camden and your wife parked on the street she would be paying an annual parking permit fee of £269.57.

Here is this year's parking charges for resident's permits:

Charges applicable to residents in respect of vehicles left in parking places where the adjacent sign includes the words “Resident permit holders” and “Permit holders” together with a permit identification code beginning “CA” followed by an alphabetic character or characters. Basic charges applying to conventionally powered vehicles:


Tariff 1A - applies to vehicles with CO2 emissions rated up to 120g/km registered after 1 March 2001

12 MONTHS’ VALIDITY £130.28 DIESEL SURCHARGE £28.01


Tariff 1B - applies to vehicles with CO2 emissions rated between 121g/km and 150g/km registered after 1 March 2001 or, in the case of vehicles first registered prior to 1 March 2001, with an engine capacity between 0 and 1,299cc.

12 MONTHS’ VALIDITY £171.03 DIESEL SURCHARGE £36.77


Tariff 2 - applies to vehicles with CO2 emissions rated between 151 and 185g/km or, in the case of vehicles first registered prior to 1 March 2001, with an engine capacity between 1,300 and 1,849cc.

12 MONTHS’ VALIDITY £221.87 DIESEL SURCHARGE £47.70


Tariff 3 - applies to vehicles with CO2 emissions rated between 186 and 225g/km or, in the case of vehicles first registered prior to 1 March 2001, with an engine capacity between 1,850 and 2,449cc.

12 MONTHS’ VALIDITY £291.26 DIESEL SURCHARGE £62.62


Tariff 4 - applies to vehicles with CO2 emissions rated over 225g/km or, in the case of vehicles first registered prior to 1 March 2001, with an engine capacity of 2,450cc or over.

12 MONTHS’ VALIDITY £475.00 DIESEL SURCHARGE £102.13

A charge is also made for each diesel powered vehicle registered to the permit which is payable again on renewal of the permit or if a diesel car is substituted for another diesel car. TYPE OF PERMIT CHARGE from 1 April 2020 DIESEL SURCHARGE (if applicable)

 

[JP_]

Maybe I should check search for diesels in Camden - might be some desperate sellers!

 

[Mottie]

Maybe I should check search for diesels in Camden - might be some desperate sellers!

Anywhere inside the North and South circular roads will be affected come 25th October this year as it will become a ULEZ.