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[riveralt]

Jesus I've never been so motivated to pass my 2391 only to shuv it down you eagertisticval throat!

I think the possibility of you passing 2391 is very remote - so if you don't mind I will not worry about you shoving it down my egotistical throat.
You say you have done 2330 Level 1 & 2 (actually C&G aren't aware of level 1) and you are taking 2330 Level 3 and your NVQ.
But the evidence you have presented suggests you lack of even the basic knowledge of electrotechnical principles.
When this is coupled with your inability to properly explain yourself, in english, its hard to believe that you will have any chance of passing level 3.
Remember while 2330 level 2 was all about ticking the right boxes, 2330 level 3 and 2391 involves writing answers to the questions set in a way that the examiner will understand.
Without wishing to sound rude most colleges when assessing candidates for the 2330 course ask them to sit both english and mathematics computer based examinations.
The purpose of this is to assess the ability of the candidate to complete the course.
Once this assessment is made and where appropriate the candidate is given additional tutoring on his/her weak areas. May I suggest you would benefit from this additional tutoring.

 

[mikhailfaradayski]

cmossom, what is your first language? Is it English?

this borders on racist.

Really? What makes you think that?

as for having 17th edition and 2330 1 and 2 a chimp with a pencil could pass it

I guess it was still a bit of a challenge for you then?

and this is your profesion and all the qualifications are to say that i am competent!! hahaha

all i asked was how do i go about fixing what i had and earth rod to an earth block outside the cu was an easy solution everything else was not important just so anyone could understand WHY i was even looking at the Cu and for my trubles i have done more typing in 4-5 days than i have in my life hahaha

its not the first time i have had to defend a simple question on here you cant say a word without being ripped up by sparkys trying to big themselves up instead of giving friendly advice..

If i knew then what i know now i would have told the person asking to phone united utilitys and say they have seen tar leaking from the cut out and the is no earthing and someone would be out to them in 3 hrs and put a new one in, because in the words of the jointers that came its as old as god and you need a new one and you must have an earth provided SIMPLE!!!!!! BUT NOOOOO!

I even asked if i could work for anyone for FREE to gain experience on site and got an new ass hole for my trouble.lol

good luck guys i wish you all the best but i would stop copying quotes and moaning about newbies and use your computer for what it was designed for PORN xx

 

[ban-all-sheds]

its not the first time i have had to defend a simple question on here you cant say a word without being ripped up by sparkys trying to big themselves up instead of giving friendly advice..

Have you ever considered that there might be another reason that your posts get "ripped up"?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Will the DNO guys here confirm that that's normal service in the Manchester area,

If the report we get is: -

If i knew then what i know now i would have told the person asking to phone united utilitys and say they have seen tar leaking from the cut out and the is no earthing and someone would be out to them in 3 hrs and put a new one in, because in the words of the jointers that came its as old as god and you need a new one and you must have an earth provided

Yes this is what would happen in any part of this DNO's area.

Oh - you think he called them and lied about there being a serious fault in order to get them to come out on a Sunday?

 

[cmossom]

I didn't have to lie it was open it was unsafe and leaking tar and had no earth.
This will be my 1st board change on an nvq thanks sheds not my 1st ever boad. Again thanks for your comments sorry that I have upset some of you it wasn't my 1st intention but after a few beers I get a bit cheeky.
But I do respect your comments and profesion and wish u best of luck

 

[Paul_C]

it does have an eath but its wrapped round a incoming water main and crewed to the outside of the cu with no link to the earth block..

Are you sure there's no connection to the earth block? Is it a metal unit?

We can't see the unit in question in your pictures, but with some older metal-clad boards it was a pretty common arrangement for the earthing lead to be connected to a lug bolted securely to the casing on the outside. The earth block inside the unit to which the individual circuit ECC's connect is bolted solidly to the metal case, so it will be earthed via the case (assuming that the earthing lead is actually connected to earth somewhere properly, of course).

And by the way, as far as the Wiring Regs. are concerned it was in 1966 that they no longer permitted water pipes to be used as a sole means of earthing.

 

[securespark]

Sigh, once again Ban has plumbed the depths.

Think what you like, Mike, but

Well, tough luck - it's not possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

is uncalled for. No if's and no but's.

It is plainly obvious to me at least that cmossom is doing his best to train and learn all about electrical installation to better himself.

In tamdem with the theory, he's doing practical "on the tools" stuff as well.

Where better to start but on your own installation, guided by his qualified colleagues?

The important thing is that he identified the deficient earthing in his system and got ENWL to make it safer by supplying an MET.

cmossom: TT supplies are often overhead, but can be subterranean too. Where I used to work in Stoke & Staffs, there were 1000's of subterranean TT supplies, many without rods! Many of them were in the towns too. TT's are not just found out in the sticks.

Granted, in the North West, there are not many TT supplies in the built-up areas. I know a few in Salford & Reddish and one or two in Macc, to name three places, but they are mainly out in the countryside.

Ignore the likes of Ban. he can be thoroughly (and unneccesarily) unpleasant.

Good luck with your training!

 

[securespark]

its not the first time i have had to defend a simple question on here you cant say a word without being ripped up by sparkys trying to big themselves up instead of giving friendly advice..

Have you ever considered that there might be another reason that your posts get "ripped up"?

Because of ill-tempered, unneccesarily rude people like you?

I understand that you do not agree with many things that are written here, but when you start throwing insults and being rude, I think you cross a line.

You are an adult with a good vocabulary, there is no need to say some of things you do.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Well, tough luck - it's not possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

is uncalled for. No if's and no but's.

Just making the point that isn't always possible to be honest and not upset people, so there's no point trying to dance around not calling a spade a spade. It wasn't referring to him at all.

Good luck with your training!

If you think, given his body of work on this forum, and the things he said in this topic alone given the qualifications he already has, that he has a hope in hell of gaining his next qualification and of not ending up being the sort of "electrician" whose customers eventually fetch up here with tales of woe then you are as deluded as he is.

Because of ill-tempered, unneccesarily rude people like you?

Or how about because I'm not the only one who can see through the bluster and bulls*** to the lack of ability beneath and doesn't try to mince about not speaking the plain truth for fear of upsetting someone?

 

[Alarm]

Or how about because I'm not the only one who can see through the bluster and bulls*** to the lack of ability beneath and doesn't try to mince about not speaking the plain truth for fear of upsetting someone?

QFA

 

[securespark]

Lack of ability?? The guy's in training FFS!

A great encouragement you are offering...

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You think that's all it is?

I have 17th ed
2330 level 1 and 2

i noticed that the earthing goes under the floor and is wrapped arroud a lead pipe and doesn't even have a clamp

i presume once i put an earth rodin it will be a tt system at the moment it does have an eath but would the be ok with a clamp to the lead water pipe??

So he's got his 2381 and 2330 1 & 2, he's looked inside the cutout, and he thinks he has either a TN-S or TN-C-S supply?

you will have to forgive my ignorance on this matter i have heard that i was not so common practice to use the main incoming water as the earthing but with united utilitys using plastic pipes now its not the done thing

"Not the done thing"?? He's got his his 2381 and 2330 1 & 2 and all he can say about using a water pipe as an earth is "it's not the done thing"?

i see that they put the bonding in the earthing block and screwed the earth to the outside of the CU and didn't even link it to the earth busbar which i think is common practice even 3 years ago.

And still he persisted:

it does have an eath but its wrapped round a incoming water main and crewed to the outside of the cu with no link to the earth block..

So he's got his his 2381 and 2330 1 & 2, he's looked inside the cutout, he's got a cable wrapped around a water pipe which he insists is an earth but he doesn't want to put a rod in and turn it into a TT system.

some of the jargon used is not my strong point i have a memory like a gold fish.

So he struggles with "jargon", can't remember things, and that's not a problem for someone in training?

I think level three will focus on types of systems its not really been covered yet in great detail.

So he's got his his 2381 and 2330 1 & 2, but hasn't had supply earthing systems covered? Did Part 2, Chapter 31, Section 411, Section 531, Chapter 54, and all the places where earthing systems are mentioned just pass him by? Or has he just forgotten it all?

None of that indicates lack of ability in someone who's got 2381 and 2330 1 & 2? It's all down to the fact that he's not done 2330 3 yet?

 

[bernardgreen]

Ban All Sheds

You probably mean well and maybe your patience has been stretched to breaking point but you do need to be a bit more polite

Being rude to people you are ( I believe ) trying to help and educate is the most in-effective way of improving them and their ability.

Bernard

 

[mikhailfaradayski]

.....Think what you like, Mike......

Is that directed at me, or do you happen to know that sheddys real name is mike?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Ban All Sheds

You probably mean well and maybe your patience has been stretched to breaking point but you do need to be a bit more polite

Being rude to people you are ( I believe ) trying to help and educate is the most in-effective way of improving them and their ability.

Bernard

at the moment it does have an eath

Does it? TN-C-S, or TN-S?

Not rude.

but would the be ok with a clamp to the lead water pipe??

As an earth? No.

As a bonding connection? Yes.

Not rude.

... b4 i new anything about electrics ...

Not rude.

can you guys see the sub main pic

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No submain, but what can be seen is an old cast iron cutout which isn't sealed closed, and undersized poorly terminated tails. There is no earth connection.

Not rude.

you will have to forgive my ignorance on this matter i have heard that i was not so common practice to use the main incoming water as the earthing

It was - half a century ago.

Not rude.

The plan is to install a 17th ed board
......
for my portfolio he will take pictures of me installing and testing and commission so he wont be looing at the earthing

So you will be installing a new consumer unit, with an assessor there, and yet the total lack of any earth connection isn't considered to be a problem?

Rude?

Or a tad exasperated by the comments of someone who clearly just does not understand things which he should if he's got 2381 and 2330 1 & 2 and thinks he's OK to go on to 2391 & 2330-3?

Unbelievable.

Does this NVQ actually require any competence in anything? Or is it just an exercise in collecting a folder full of spurious pictures and forms with all of the boxes ticked?

Are you going to have a go at flameport, Bernard?

Jesus I've never been so motivated to pass my 2391 only to shuv it down you eagertisticval throat!

I think the possibility of you passing 2391 is very remote - so if you don't mind I will not worry about you shoving it down my egotistical throat.
You say you have done 2330 Level 1 & 2 (actually C&G aren't aware of level 1) and you are taking 2330 Level 3 and your NVQ.
But the evidence you have presented suggests you lack of even the basic knowledge of electrotechnical principles.

Not rude.


He had plenty of non-rude replies telling him that he didn't have an earth.

But he wouldn't listen.

He had plenty of non-rude replies expressing serious doubts about his basic, underlying competence.

But he wouldn't listen.

He demonstrated, repeatedly, that he just does not understand what anybody should in his position and which he must have studied and encountered.

He said he doesn't understand technical terms.

He said he has a very poor memory.

And it's rude to say that he does not have the innate ability needed to become a competent electrician?