electrician credentials

[denso13]

Again, that is only the OPINION of the HSE, it is not law.

And again, I know that. It completely misses the point I was making.

So, why do you claim that because I have not undergone a training & testing regime that would be disproportionate to the task of soldering copper pipe joints, I cannot be competent to make soldered joints in copper pipes ?

Because soldering the pipework is a small part of what's required. What do you need to do before you even touch the pipe? What if by doing that you reveal that the current installation is not safe? Do you know what procedures then kick in? Do you know who needs to be notified, within what timescales, and what records need to be kept? Do you know that the testing regime changed only a few months ago and what those changes mean? How would you pick any of that up by simply knowing how to solder some pipework and fittings?

So, given the above about being able to demonstrate competence in making soldered joints in copper pipe, presumably you will still stick to the "but you didn't do an irrelevant approved training course and assessment covering stuff you're not wanting to do, therefore you can't be competent" view ?

Not at all, my point is above, soldering is the least of it. Which is where training comes in.

 

[denso13]

covering stuff you're not wanting to do

I meant to mention before, but you don't need training for stuff you don't need, that's how gas assessment works. There are over 50 types of certification and you choose what you want/need to cover. You could choose, for example, only to fit natural gas cookers and that is the only training you will need (not quite, you do need a core module).

I would expect a competent person to know this, whatever they choose to do.

 

[morqthana]

IYou could choose, for example, only to fit natural gas cookers and that is the only training you will need (not quite, you do need a core module).

What if by doing that you reveal that the current installation is not safe? Do you know what procedures then kick in? Do you know who needs to be notified, within what timescales, and what records need to be kept?

So if all you do is only fit gas cookers, does your remit extend to inspecting the rest of the installation to see if it is safe?

 

[denso13]

So if all you do is only fit gas cookers, does your remit extend to inspecting the rest of the installation to see if it is safe?

Not the whole installation but testing some parts, that's where the core module comes in.