EV are they worth it?

[ericmark]

I watched a video about the Baker electric car and compared it with the Ami made today, the Baker has a better range, around same top speed and all in all seems we have not progressed since 1913, so why would we want electric now?

 

[Avocet]

I watched a video about the Baker electric car View attachment 321132 and compared it with the Ami made today, the Baker has a better range, around same top speed and all in all seems we have not progressed since 1913, so why would we want electric now?

...except the Baker was the Tesla Model 3 of its day, an the Ami is an electric quadricycle that you don't need a driving licence for in some countries!

It's a bit like saying that back in 1913, the Vauxhall 30-98 could do 100 MPH and today's Hyundai i10 can almost do the same, so it seems we haven't progressed since 1913...

 

[ReganAndCarter]

It's been happening for many thousands of years - Romans, Vikings, Saxons Jews, and it's not going to stop, regardless who you vote for, I'm afraid.

Yes, but not at this pace and numbers and certainly not with peoples who are incompatible with our culture and totally at odds with everything that made this country. The hard sell to get Brits to buy it is relentless and tells you all you need to know. In past times incommers blended in and assimilated and had something to offer. Many today only have their hands out, demanding resources and cause crime and problems safe in the knowledge that they have 'rights'. Totally different to past slow drip of mostly caucasian immigration.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Norway is about as close to a monoculture as you can get,

Some former USSR countries are similar. I spend a lot of time in Czech Republic. It is probably more than 98% indigenous and as a result very safe. Even though they have liberal gun laws.

 

[Avocet]

Yes, but not at this pace and numbers and certainly not with peoples who are incompatible with our culture and totally at odds with everything that made this country.

Wait... WHAT???!!! The Romans bloody invaded us! (Proper invasion with swords and stuff, by the way, not drifting across, unarmed, in rubber dinghies)! They even taxed us and sent the proceeds back to Rome! And, as you might remember, did sweet stuff-all to try and blend in with our "culture"! (...such as it was...).

Then the Saxons did much the same, and then the Normans did the same again, too!

What "made" this country, in fact, was a succession of foreign invasions and migrations, and then, much more recently, its huge empire, where we just waltzed into any other country that took our fancy and did exactly the same to their folk, as the Romans did to us. We're now reaping the rewards of our post-colonial past because loads of people around the world speak English and many of them want to come and live here.

The hard sell to get Brits to buy it is relentless and tells you all you need to know. In past times incommers blended in and assimilated and had something to offer.

Few of them have "blended in". The Romans certainly didn't, the Saxons did - to some extent, the Normans didn't. The vikings certainly didn't. To this very day we have "Jewish quarters" in cities, we have "Chinatowns" in many of our larger cities. I put it to you that the idea of foreiners "blending in", is largely a myth!

Many today only have their hands out, demanding resources and cause crime and problems safe in the knowledge that they have 'rights'. Totally different to past slow drip of mostly caucasian immigration.

Yes - two Home Secretaries and their parents for a start! (Ironic, isn't it)?!

 

[Avocet]

Some former USSR countries are similar. I spend a lot of time in Czech Republic. It is probably more than 98% indigenous and as a result very safe. Even though they have liberal gun laws.

Historically, Eastern Europe has been one of the WORST places on earth when it comes to different cultures living together! WW1 anyone? Ottoman empire? Austro-Hungarian empire? The place we now know as the "Czech Republic", didn't even exist until after WW1! Even then it was a "synthetic" state, created after WW1, with (much like the partition of India), no regard for ethnicity. It ended up having a load of ethnic Germans in it - who welcomed Hitler's forces at the start of WW2! After WW2, it wasn't long before it became absorbed into the Soviet union, only to re-emerge in the 1990s as the Czech Republic. Just what, exactly, is "indigenous Czech"?

 

[BQW]

The big question is, is there enough capacity in the National Grid to supply all the 7Kw needed to charge every ones EV. My house is in a block of 6 houses, one resident has no car all the other families have two cars each, that could in theory require an extra 70Kw pulled from the local substation. And that's just the five houses local to me, how many other homes are off the same Sub station ? 200 I would guess ? Thats a lot of extra Amps, for an infrastructure`s design that never envisaged EV`s or the rise in number of electric appliances now in use.
I do think it`s its as much about getting the peasants off the road as saving the Planet.

 

[DiyNutJob]

The big question is, is there enough capacity in the National Grid to supply all the 7Kw needed to charge every ones EV.

The simple answer is no and there never will be enough capacity. Some decision makers know this but would not mention it. Some decision makers don't know this and are simply ignorant. Ultimately, EV's are a dead end. For them to be viable, the infrastructure has to be built first. No western government is dumb enough to do that. Even for the dumb easterners in china, they are not really succeeding. I reckon EV's are a device to trick china into a cul-de-sac to sap its strength. The chinese EV makers assume EV's will be sellable in the west. I think they are mistaken and will end up with big losses.

Electrical capacity is secondary to the land capacity needed to charge stationary EV's away from home/base. At the moment the assumption is that land is free. When there is demand, you will suddenly find land becoming very expensive.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The big question is, is there enough capacity in the National Grid to supply all the 7Kw needed to charge every ones EV. My house is in a block of 6 houses, one resident has no car all the other families have two cars each, that could in theory require an extra 70Kw pulled from the local substation. And that's just the five houses local to me, how many other homes are off the same Sub station ? 200 I would guess ? Thats a lot of extra Amps, for an infrastructure`s design that never envisaged EV`s or the rise in number of electric appliances now in use.
I do think it`s its as much about getting the peasants off the road as saving the Planet.

Lots to consider in there, some of which I agree with.

As for getting the peasants off the road, I would love there to be lots less cars on the road. Most of them are occupied by 1 person, and probably doing very few miles, and a lot are nothing more than mums taxi to school service. Another big amount are just a taxi to work and back.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

The simple answer is no and there never will be enough capacity. Some decision makers know this but would not mention it. Some decision makers don't know this and are simply ignorant. Ultimately, EV's are a dead end. For them to be viable, the infrastructure has to be built first. No western government is dumb enough to do that. Even for the dumb easterners in china, they are not really succeeding. I reckon EV's are a device to trick china into a cul-de-sac to sap its strength.

Electrical capacity is secondary to the land capacity needed to charge stationary EV's away from home/base. At the moment the assumption is that land is free. When there is demand, you will suddenly find land becoming very expensive.

I've got news for you.

 

[IT Minion]

The big question is, is there enough capacity in the National Grid to supply all the 7Kw needed to charge every ones EV. My house is in a block of 6 houses, one resident has no car all the other families have two cars each, that could in theory require an extra 70Kw pulled from the local substation. And that's just the five houses local to me, how many other homes are off the same Sub station ? 200 I would guess ? Thats a lot of extra Amps, for an infrastructure`s design that never envisaged EV`s or the rise in number of electric appliances now in use.
I do think it`s its as much about getting the peasants off the road as saving the Planet.

The short answer is yes.

EV charging at home will normally happen at night when demand on the grid is low. We already see that with off-peak charging rates now.

Add in that most people won't need or want to charge daily, or if they do it'll only be a handful of watts, and it turns out to be not much of an issue.

If we did need to manage energy use more heavily then smart tarrifs and smart chargers already exist to allow dynamic charging. So instead of charging as soon as you plug in your charger will talk to your electricity company and work out the best time and speed to charge to make sure it's ready for your pre-set start time.

All these big, obvious questions were answered a decade ago

 

[Avocet]

The short answer is yes.

EV charging at home will normally happen at night when demand on the grid is low. We already see that with off-peak charging rates now.

Add in that most people won't need or want to charge daily, or if they do it'll only be a handful of watts, and it turns out to be not much of an issue.

If we did need to manage energy use more heavily then smart tarrifs and smart chargers already exist to allow dynamic charging. So instead of charging as soon as you plug in your charger will talk to your electricity company and work out the best time and speed to charge to make sure it's ready for your pre-set start time.

All these big, obvious questions were answered a decade ago

And that's before we ever stat using V2G! If anything, EVs are likely to be the solution to grid capacity, rather than the problem, but there's no real point in trying to explain that to Nutjob.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

The big question is, is there enough capacity in the National Grid to supply all the 7Kw needed to charge every ones EV. My house is in a block of 6 houses, one resident has no car all the other families have two cars each, that could in theory require an extra 70Kw pulled from the local substation. And that's just the five houses local to me, how many other homes are off the same Sub station ? 200 I would guess ? Thats a lot of extra Amps, for an infrastructure`s design that never envisaged EV`s or the rise in number of electric appliances now in use.
I do think it`s its as much about getting the peasants off the road as saving the Planet.

Completely agree, especially last sentence. Don't forget all the leccy heat pumps requiring lots of juice instead of fossil fuel heating that requires very little.

 

[bernardgreen]

Following a minor accident a recovery service refused to deal with an EV even though recovery was part of the vehicle owner's fully comprehensive insurance cover. Another specialist recovery company had to be called which meant a very long wait at the road side,.

The vehicle owner contested the matter with the recovery company and the insurance company were also involved.

The recovery company admitted that their staff had not been trained to deal with EVs and would therefor not be covered by their insurance for any losses incurred from a recovery of an EV that went wrong.

The recovery company ( or their insurance company ) quoted this government document.

How to recover a damaged electric vehicle, Government advice for recovery operators: working with electric vehicles

https://assets.publishing.service.g..._operators-working-with-electric-vehicles.pdf

 

[Avocet]

And that's a lot of what we're up against. Repairers and recovery organisations just need to upskill and come to terms with the new technology. It will happen, of course, it will just take a bit of time.