Even Keir doesn’t want 'open borders' to help the NHS.
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I can't get enough of Brexit John.
In fact, I'd like us to rejoin, just to have the pleasure of leaving again.
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Only in respect that even Keir Starmer is finally coming round to 'getting it'. One day, even you might.
Too expensive. The billionaires would suffer a loss. Shareholders would have a meltdown.
Is there not an issue of poaching doctors ect from over seas
who trained them up ? and paid for it ?
dont these countries need health proffesionals ?
I heard that there were some thing in the region of 5000 nigerian doctors (?) in the NHS ?? ( seems a bit high ?)
so nigeria is now short of doctors for there own population ??
who trained them up ? and paid for it ?
dont these countries need health proffesionals ?
I heard that there were some thing in the region of 5000 nigerian doctors (?) in the NHS ?? ( seems a bit high ?)
so nigeria is now short of doctors for there own population ??
They are and I believe it's red listed. Some sort of convention that doc's etc not taken from countries that are short of them or can't afford to loose what they have.
There are indications that the nurses ballot will call for a strike. Gov - think about your patients. They will but rather lame reply.
Scotland has come up with what is probably a sensible pay rise other than the amount. A flat offer of £2k for all. That is a bigger % for the lowest paid. A technique that has been used before even when unions are around. Pay scales were mentioned up to £50k but not all will get that and it is possible to go even higher.
Tory. They intend to change negotiation rules. Effectively lengthening the process and hoping workers will get fed up and accept. Might work but likely to leave a bad taste behind.
Nurses are severely understaffed Oh well that is how it is.
Scotland has come up with what is probably a sensible pay rise other than the amount. A flat offer of £2k for all. That is a bigger % for the lowest paid. A technique that has been used before even when unions are around. Pay scales were mentioned up to £50k but not all will get that and it is possible to go even higher.
Tory. They intend to change negotiation rules. Effectively lengthening the process and hoping workers will get fed up and accept. Might work but likely to leave a bad taste behind.
Nurses are severely understaffed Oh well that is how it is.
Conservative supporters will find it difficult to look for excuses that the number of training places is being reduced yet we have a shortage of doctors.
Almost as if cutting public services and spending is more important than the health and productivity of the nation.
Austerity Rules (UK) OK
Meanwhile existing GPs, especially in deprived areas, are suffering overwork from unachievable demand, and are leaving or retiring if they can.
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" According to the Medical Schools Council, courses that started in 2021 received over three times more applications than places available: 28,690 applicants for 9,500 slots.
For 2022, however, the government reintroduced the cap that they had lifted for one year.
The number of places fell to 7,500 but applicants rose to a record 29,710. Only 15.6 per cent of applicants this year received an offer — medical school heads branded it the hardest conditions “in living memory”.
The reason for this chaos and waste is Covid-19 coupled with the lack of a robust plan needed to address the shortage of NHS doctors — the health service is losing medical staff and not enough are in training.
As a professor at the University of Manchester explained to me at an open day, medical schools tend to make more offers than can be accommodated because many students will not secure the required grades. During the height of the pandemic, however, when two years of cancelled exams resulted in centre-assessed results followed by teacher-assessed results, grade inflation was high. This meant that more students met their conditional offers than places were available.
The result was students being told to defer (some were even offered £10,000 to do so). "
Almost as if cutting public services and spending is more important than the health and productivity of the nation.
Austerity Rules (UK) OK
Meanwhile existing GPs, especially in deprived areas, are suffering overwork from unachievable demand, and are leaving or retiring if they can.
The health paradox: a dearth of doctors and a surplus of applicants
It is a false economy to balk at the cost of putting aspiring medics like me through medical school
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" According to the Medical Schools Council, courses that started in 2021 received over three times more applications than places available: 28,690 applicants for 9,500 slots.
For 2022, however, the government reintroduced the cap that they had lifted for one year.
The number of places fell to 7,500 but applicants rose to a record 29,710. Only 15.6 per cent of applicants this year received an offer — medical school heads branded it the hardest conditions “in living memory”.
The reason for this chaos and waste is Covid-19 coupled with the lack of a robust plan needed to address the shortage of NHS doctors — the health service is losing medical staff and not enough are in training.
As a professor at the University of Manchester explained to me at an open day, medical schools tend to make more offers than can be accommodated because many students will not secure the required grades. During the height of the pandemic, however, when two years of cancelled exams resulted in centre-assessed results followed by teacher-assessed results, grade inflation was high. This meant that more students met their conditional offers than places were available.
The result was students being told to defer (some were even offered £10,000 to do so). "
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"Despite the growing pressures, the Commons health select committee said this year that the government had “shown a marked reluctance to act decisively”.
It’s a strange paradox: on one side the NHS faces a staffing crisis and on the other UK students desperately fight over scarce training places.
Perhaps now that former health secretary (and former health committee chair) Jeremy Hunt is in charge of the Treasury, this will change.
With the NHS short of more than 12,000 doctors, according to the committee, it is a false economy not to train more — Labour pledged last month to provide an extra 7,500 medical school places.
Older medics are becoming disenchanted with conditions in an overstretched system — one in three GPs in England plans to quit in the next five years. Quick-fix overseas recruitment is unsustainable. But there does not seem to be any end to the supply of enthusiastic sixth-formers wanting to follow them into the profession."
It’s a strange paradox: on one side the NHS faces a staffing crisis and on the other UK students desperately fight over scarce training places.
Perhaps now that former health secretary (and former health committee chair) Jeremy Hunt is in charge of the Treasury, this will change.
With the NHS short of more than 12,000 doctors, according to the committee, it is a false economy not to train more — Labour pledged last month to provide an extra 7,500 medical school places.
Older medics are becoming disenchanted with conditions in an overstretched system — one in three GPs in England plans to quit in the next five years. Quick-fix overseas recruitment is unsustainable. But there does not seem to be any end to the supply of enthusiastic sixth-formers wanting to follow them into the profession."
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he has got it ok. Even though he knows it's hurt us, it's time to get on with it. 15 years or 50 years, going to get worse before we get better.
it's a poor hand but it's what we dealt ourselves.
After 4 years of stalling, asking for best of three and arguing, we're only two years in effectively and in those two years we've had covid and a war. I think that might have had some bearing on it.……
Look on the bright side, Estonia is worse.
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Bad news for all these foreign people who want to bring their relatives to the UK for free treatment.
Yet they still come.
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