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Ever felt you waste your time?

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5 months back I did a consumer unit change. Modified a new consumer unit to be dual RCD split load, with 10ways left for circuits. I used up 7 ways. The client told me she wanted to change her gas cooker/hob to electric during the summer. It is a very small 3 bed house with 100Amp supply. Told her that not only did she have spare capacity to do this but there was room on the CU to accomodate extra circuits.

She also told me that they were planning a small loft conversion (room about 14'x9'). I expected I would get to quote for this work as she was over the moon at having the Old Wylex BS3036's replaced by modern CU with MCB's and RCD's....and the convenience of having had the CU moved from an inaccessible basement(trap door) to under the stairs.

Anyway, she had the loft done without calling me in. She now wants the cooker work done. I wasn't too miffed about not getting to quote for loft work as the builder was a mate of her boyfriend, and the builder has his own spark.....I'm all for a free market economy.....win some lose some!

Anyway whilst discussing the Cooker I mentioned I had left a 32AMP fuse spare on the board specifically for the job. We went to the CU for me to show her and to my horror all 3 spareways had been used. He used 1way for single loft light, 1 for the loft sockets, and 1 for the 3 smokes he had installed. Now here is the best bit......the 3 smokes are on a 32amp fuse......I haven't invetigated the cable size but I bets its 1.5mm. I had done a full inspection and test before I changed the CU and supplied a full EIC for the board change. Do you think the 3 smokes are a new product and double up as ceiling heaters!!!!!!

I asked if she had certs for the new additions and she nervously said yes. She also asked me to put in 2 double sockets in a bedroom (they are currently fixed to skirtings), as the room is about to be plastered she said it would be a good time to move them up onto the wall. Anyway as I ascended the stairs (also to be plastered hall/stairs and landing) I noticed the cables for the loft were run outside the zones. I think I am only just beginning to open a can of worms.

Anyway, bottom line is I want to install her cooker/hob. My question is gentlemen what would YOU do/say/not do
 
Unless you're desperate for the work, I'd be inclined to walk away and tell her why.
 
Install it for her and enter any general comments you may have on the existing installation in the relevant box on your EIC.

Remember, you don't have the divine right to control an installation after you carry out work and issue certificates. I understand where you're coming from but it's really not worth worrying about.
 
Try to blag the EIC for the loft works out of her. Do the install (she probably won't be too pleased if you turn her down in effect because she had a dodgy sparks for the loft). Then plenty of notes on the EIC and in a covering letter.

Job done; client happy; backside covered; possible remedial work coming your way as well.
 
I often ask to look at certs for work that customers have had done to highlight the fact there isn't one.
 
Secures got it right - it's a great way to subtly prove to client they had a cowboy in or did it themselves or had a friend do it.
 
Secures got it right - it's a great way to subtly prove to client they had a cowboy in or did it themselves or had a friend do it.

So, he doesn't NEED the previous EIC covering the loft.
The only reason you would request it is to play games with the customer, it's of no benefit at all.
 
If the installation is unsafe (32A for smokes etc) then the OP can point this out to the customer and note it on his EIC. The work in the attic should also have it's own EIC, been notified to the LABC etc etc etc. Wether or not that is any of the OPs business is the up to the customer, all he can do is point out the shortcomings to the customer. It is up to the customer to act on it.
 
Secures got it right - it's a great way to subtly prove to client they had a cowboy in or did it themselves or had a friend do it.

So, he doesn't NEED the previous EIC covering the loft.
The only reason you would request it is to play games with the customer, it's of no benefit at all.

Gary.

I've got better things to do than "play games" with the customer. Conversely, it is of great benefit to both me and the customer.

If a customer of mine tells me they have a problem with a "professionally" installed circuit or whatever, I always ask to see the cert.

As well as showing the customer (if he hasn't got one) that the job probably isn't professional, it can be very handy (if there is one) to look at the test readings.
 
But the OP had changed a consumer unit 5 months prior so he could refer back to that for any results he may need.
Anyway, he's adding a new cooker circuit so the loft results aren't really relevant to his install.

Yes, I was talking about the scenario in this thread and not others ;)
 

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