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Fire door query between kitchen and garage

Discussion in 'Building' started by shd1970, 11 Jan 2018.

  1. shd1970

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    Currently my side kitchen door just exits straight onto my driveway, but we are planning to bring the garage forward so we have direct access

    In addition, we are about to have the kitchen re-plastered also

    The side door currently is just a standard UPVC door

    So, my assumption is that the door will need to be changed to a fire rated door due to flammables possibly stored in the garage, but can anyone confirm will it be an internal or external door that is required ?

    Obviously i need to have the door replaced before the plastering but the garage may not have been brought forward at that stage
     
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    You can't get external fire doors because there dont need to be any.

    For an internal door, it will require a 30 minute fire door set (ie and frame) with smoke seals.

    Or you can fit an external door that may have a nominal 30 minute rating - eg a solid timber door not a panelled door and with fire resisting glass if a glazed type. But if this work is via building control, you will need to confirm with them if they will accept any door that is not a certified fire door, or get the necessary certification.
     
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    you also need a 100mm step between garage and habitable area as a fire check
     
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  6. shd1970

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    thanks for the reply Woody

    i'm stuck between a bit of a rock and a hard place as as mentioned, the kitchen is most likely to be plastered before the garage is brought forward and the door needs to be in first, to allow it to be plastered up to

    if i had the internal fire door fitted now, can i protect the outside of it in anyway, or can they absolutely NOT be exposed to the outside elements ?

    thanks again
     
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    thanks Tony....yep, got that on the list ! (y)
     
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    thanks Big-all....yep, got that on the list ! (y)
     
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    Think building regs require a 60 minute ( FD 60 ) fire door between garage and kitchen don't they .
     
  11. You can put a few coats of yacht varnish on the door, but you need to do every surface going (under hinges and even through the door handle etc) otherwise moisture will get in, and it'll swell slightly and stick. Or you could talk to building control, and see if they'll accept an external door with fire retarding paint on it.
     
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    Why can't you leave the door and just replace the frame and door later to the same place and do the little bit of making good to the plaster?

    Or if you are replastering with new door beads, leave the reveals until later.

    But if you do get a standard fire door now and frame, then if coated well with varnish or paint, then it will do for a good few months, even a couple of years or so.
     
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    It's domestic so it's just 30 mins.
     
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