Fire in Lounge, soon to be a bedroom.

[Ropes]

I have a customer who's had a bit of an accident and now requires his Lounge to become his permanent bedroom. Inside this room is a 20 year old gas fire that is in good condition that they still want to use. Obviously, i'm not keen on this at all and would like to know exactly what the regs state. Is it still legal to continue to use an old fire like this in a room classed as a bedroom? Been flicking through my safety book and as with most of the documentation things aren't very clear.

They have no CH as backup, I'm wanting to recommend a new fire with an ASD but they seem to just want the fire checked over before going ahead. Battery CO detector will of course be fitted.

 

[gas_man_gaz]

not sure but i think it needs to have some sort of vitiation device fitted

 

[gas4you]

Can't be done.

The old fire will have to come out or disconnected at least.

 

[Ropes]

Can't be done.

The old fire will have to come out or disconnected at least.

That is what I was thinking to be honest. I realise it's not ideal, but a new floor standing fire (something like a Brava ASD) with a CO detector is what i'm going to recommend I think. Other than that, they could go electric I guess but that would be their choice.

 

[ollski]

If the fire was fitted before 1996 then it's ncs unless its rented accommodation in which case its AR although if the room is only a temporary bedroom its ncs again.

 

[Ropes]

If the fire was fitted before 1996 then it's ncs unless its rented accommodation in which case its AR although if the room is only a temporary bedroom its ncs again.

The fire is one of a kind! Haven't seen it for about a year so can't remember make and model but i've never seen anything like it elsewhere. I'd say it was mid Eighties to be honest.

NCS then. Interesting.

 

[gas_man_gaz]

what ollski said is what is in the bg op unsafe situations, so id go with that

 

[gas4you]

Sorry BG lads, not wanting to pick an argument, but I wouldn't go with BG rules as a sole trader.

We haven't the might of BG lawyers behind us to protect us

 

[Deleted member 105431]

Sorry BG lads, not wanting to pick an argument, but I wouldn't go with BG rules as a sole trader.

We haven't the might of BG lawyers behind us to protect us

That's right Dave, ****ish gas legal team get plenty of practice and get away with murder; literally!

 

[ollski]

Sorry BG lads, not wanting to pick an argument, but I wouldn't go with BG rules as a sole trader.

We haven't the might of BG lawyers behind us to protect us

Nothing to do with bg g4u, from one of the recent viper updates which will be the same as bg as they come down from hse. Will be the same on any current unsafe situations booklet / list.

 

[ollski]

That's right Dave, ****ish gas legal team get plenty of practice and get away with murder; literally!

Be quite interested in any recent references dm apart from Oxford....just out of curiosity

 

[Deleted member 105431]

That's right Dave, ****ish gas legal team get plenty of practice and get away with murder; literally!

Be quite interested in any recent references dm apart from Oxford....just out of curiosity

I think they're on first name terms with the A.S.A too.

 

[Boilerman2]

As long as its not rented then NCS, however I would really encourage the client to either have an Electric Heater fitted or repalce the Fire with a new one with oxy-pilot

 

[Ropes]

As long as its not rented then NCS, however I would really encourage the client to either have an Electric Heater fitted or repalce the Fire with a new one with oxy-pilot

That's the plan I reckon. I'd even go as far as saying that if she refused to get a new fire, either electric or gas, then I will have nothing to do with the servicing of the existing fire. Even though it's only NCS, it's a situation I'm not happy with it so would rather be out of it having lost two fire services than have my name next to a potentially dangerous situation.

Thanks for the advice fellas.

 

[lightning]

Would have thought fire would now be AR as op is going to make the lounge into a permanent bedroom.

Would be ok if fire has a ASD and is under 14kw gross {12.75 net}