Flag dynamics

[morqthana]

apparently 425 arrested for supporting terrorism in our country - many waving their beloved flag

Yup - if you pass oppressive laws there's basically no limit to the number of people you can arrest under them.

 

[pete01]

So is it really naïvety? Can you really not see how the right-wing, racist, thugs have hijacked the Union Jack, and the flag of St. George, to signify their belief in a vile ideology which does not represent British values in the slightest?

It doesn't matter how much you wish it wasn't so, how fervently you say "I ought to be able to..", the fact is it is so, and if you do you will inevitably risk being identified as a right-wing, racist, thug. That's just the way it is.

And I've seen the sorts of things Harry says in GD, and if that's what being a "proud Brit" means then I want no part of it, for it is shameful, and nothing which anybody should be "proud" of at all.

You can insult me all you like, when I go to spain and houses and hotels have the Spanish flags flying I dont think racist thugs I think we'll im in spain what else would I expect.....

 

[morqthana]

Maybe Spain is different.

But can you really not see what the reality is with so much of the flying the flag we have in this country?

I'm not insulting you - I'm just incredulous that you can't see what reality is.

 

[pete01]

I am where I am I ent gonna change my mind....I nearly got banned from this site for talking about flags....so

Over and out.....

 

[morqthana]

But that minority is supported by the mods in their attempt (which is therefore successful) in silencing and driving away voices that they do not want to be heard.

If you are not some or all of these

Racist
Xenophobic
Transphobic
Islamophobic
Anti-immigrant
Anti-asylum seeker
Sexist
Right wing
Brexit supporter
Illiberal
Climate change denier
Anti-20mph speed limits
Anti-low emission zones
Anti-low traffic neighbourhoods
Anti-BBC
Anti-TV Licence
Pro Israel

and especially if you argue against people who are, you'll not be welcome there. The final straw for me came when the mods started locking me out of threads I'd never posted in, so desperate were they and their extremist clients to not have anything spoil their echo-chamber.

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That's all Incorrect.
We don't care about your views at all only whether you break the rules.
Read the rules. If you break them persistent you can be locked out of multiple or all threads or sections.
That includes for too much trolling.

Well, all I'm going to say is that if anybody genuinely doesn't know who's telling the truth here, and really wants to find out, go and try it.

Go to GD, and push back against, argue with, every post which is racist, xenophobic, transphobic, Islamophobic, anti-immigrant etc etc.

Do it without being abusive, or insulting, but just keep doing it, over and over again, to match the numbers of such posts.

See how you get on.

 

[JohnW2]

There's a bit of a difference between practical items, tools, etc which we all need but can be misused, and a flag.

Whilst that's true, I still don't think we should let the behaviour (misuse/abuse of something, be it a 'practical tool', a flag or whatever) result in a restriction on what the great majority can/should do.

Do you really believe that a tiny group of extremists/criminals/whatever should be allowed to 'win' over the great majority of the population?

 

[morqthana]

I'm not seeking to impose restrictions on what anybody may do regarding flying flags.

Just pointing out the reality of what flying the Union Jack and the flag of St. George has come to signify in most cases, a reality which no amount of hand-wringing or bluster can change, and a reality which means that those who do not have RWR views will be correct most of the time if they regard those who fly those flags as having such views.

 

[JohnW2]

I'm not seeking to impose restrictions on what anybody may do regarding flying flags.

I wasn't thinking/talking about imposed/formal/'mandated' restrictions. You have, indeed, not suggested that, but (per below) you have advised (the great majority of) the population against doing something (flying the flags in question), in order to avoid their being (incorrectly) thought to be one of the tiny minority of extremists/criminals/whatever who do that something for undesirable reasons.

As before, I don't really think that we (the great majority of the population) should allow tiny minorities to 'win' by resulting in such self-imposed 'restriction' of what should be our freedom of choice ...

Does that mean that the rest of us, not so extreme, should abandon it?

It would be advisable, unless you want people to make the entirely rational assumption that outside of times of sporting events of national significance, if you're flying it you're a RWR..

 

[Ollyfp]

Is this whole thread a euphemism, flag poles not working properly?

I've got a miniature hand-held flag pole that I like to wave around.
I stuck it in a cake once.

 

[Highway Man]

And I've seen the sorts of things Harry says in GD, and if that's what being a "proud Brit" means then I want no part of it, for it is shameful, and nothing which anybody should be "proud" of at all.

It saddens me to read this, What Harry has done is to show support and love for his country the same as most people who are proud to fly a flag in support of their country. How dare you say otherwise and how arrogant of you to class anyone of being otherwise whilst you blatantly have an avatar of the Palestinian flag rather than the flag of your own country. I suppose you feel very righteous and entitled whilst calling others for doing the very same thing. A handful of thugs who have used the union flag as an excuse to riot does not mean that we should all now condemn our patriotism and pride in favour of your views. Beggers belief.

 

[pete01]

It saddens me to read this, What Harry has done is to show support and love for his country the same as most people who are proud to fly a flag in support of their country. How dare you say otherwise and how arrogant of you to class anyone of being otherwise whilst you blatantly have an avatar of the Palestinian flag rather than the flag of your own country. I suppose you feel very righteous and entitled whilst calling others for doing the very same thing. A handful of thugs who have used the union flag as an excuse to riot does not mean that we should all now condemn our patriotism and pride in favour of your views. Beggers belief.

Exactly

 

[pete01]

Jessus wept.....

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

No it is simples actually, those people are morons where as Harry for example has a flag up on his property hes causing no trouble just being a proud Brit.....if we cant be proud of being British then something is wrong.

I have been considering adding a pole, and a flag, for many years - long before any of this silliness began.

 

[Ollyfp]

When a country has given you a childhood full of freedom and adventure, the opportunity to go to school, get a job, provide for your family and perhaps even buy your own house, nursed you when you were unwell and finally given you an old-age pension, I think you should be flying the flag of that country (both physically and metaphorically) at every opportunity.
Removing the flag of your home country is a treacherous act, of which your great grandparents would be deeply ashamed.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Just pointing out the reality of what flying the Union Jack and the flag of St. George has come to signify in most cases, a reality which no amount of hand-wringing or bluster can change, and a reality which means that those who do not have RWR views will be correct most of the time if they regard those who fly those flags as having such views.

I think you are misusing for your own gain the words 'reality' and 'most'.


I wonder what is the reality of most people's views on seeing your avatar and signature.