Going EV

It cost £21500 and costs me a days overtime at work so it doesn't have to come out of any of the family money.

I'm as big a petrol head as anyone but at 42 a sense of reality kicks in, I've had a whole string of fast cars and if you gave me a free perfect summer's day every week hands down I'd be back in a 911 but in reality I get those days maybe once a month and when I do I'll go out on one of my motorbikes instead.

The rest of the time it doesn't really matter what I'm in as my work commutes a 40 mile round trip on a busy a road with very little overtaking opportunities in a car, the wife's is similar so running any fast car is just burning money in fuel and wear and tear, I'd rather drive what is a reasonable car to drive and spend the fuel costs on stuff for my daughter or holidays.

But you are welcome to your opinion.
Hung on, let me understand.
You earn £21500 in a day overtime, so let's assume it's one and half time (rare these days) you are on roughly £14.500/day.
That's about £300k/month if you average 20 working days and over £3.5 million/year.
And what car do you drive?
A Tesla?!?!
Where's your Ferrari, Bugatti, Lambo???
Keep dreaming.

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Sorry I missed out the per month bit after the overtime, so the car cost 21.5k as I said, the loan I took out is £290pm which is just under £50 less than I get for a days overtime at work.

Hopefully that's clearer for you and as I only work 3 days a week 1 extra shift at work a month isn't a problem.
 
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with a power to weight ratio of 339 bhp per tonne - you may have to worry about the £1500 for a set of tyres sooner than later

that is going to be ludicrously fast - we had a GLC 400 EV for a test drive last week - 490hp (181 hp / ton) and that was stupidly fast - your tesla is nearly double the power to weight ratio

In the aptly named ludicrous mode it's the equivalent of 610bhp so yes it gets down the road well enough.
 
In the aptly named ludicrous mode it's the equivalent of 610bhp so yes it gets down the road well enough.
i see it is literally named "Ludicrous Mode", but I would guess in kickdown it will always release full power - i read that as 762bhp (hence 339 bhp per tonne)

when i compare that to cars from when i was a young lad - the Escort Mexico 96 bhp per tonne (and that would be a narrow power band motor) so a lot less useful than an EV's max torque from 0 mph

considering all the safety crap they enforce into all cars now such as lane assist and speed awareness beeps and bongs - why do they allow such rocket ships onto the road
 
It cost £21500 and costs me a days overtime at work so it doesn't have to come out of any of the family money.

I'm as big a petrol head as anyone but at 42 a sense of reality kicks in, I've had a whole string of fast cars and if you gave me a free perfect summer's day every week hands down I'd be back in a 911 but in reality I get those days maybe once a month and when I do I'll go out on one of my motorbikes instead.

The rest of the time it doesn't really matter what I'm in as my work commutes a 40 mile round trip on a busy a road with very little overtaking opportunities in a car, the wife's is similar so running any fast car is just burning money in fuel and wear and tear, I'd rather drive what is a reasonable car to drive and spend the fuel costs on stuff for my daughter or holidays.

But you are welcome to your opinion.

I reckon that bad boy should create a few more overtaking opportunities! ;)
 
i see it is literally named "Ludicrous Mode", but I would guess in kickdown it will always release full power - i read that as 762bhp (hence 339 bhp per tonne)

when i compare that to cars from when i was a young lad - the Escort Mexico 96 bhp per tonne (and that would be a narrow power band motor) so a lot less useful than an EV's max torque from 0 mph

considering all the safety crap they enforce into all cars now such as lane assist and speed awareness beeps and bongs - why do they allow such rocket ships onto the road

They don't kick-down. They only have one gear. They allow them because (as yet) the killjoys haven't managed to ban them. The thing is, there's not much downside to having a powerful EV. If you had a 700 horse petrol car, even when you drove it gently, it would be a bloody thirsty car, because it's running at a really low efficiency. Servicing would be very expensive too. With an EV, you can have a ludicrously powerful motor and if you drive it gently, it won't use much more energy than if you put a 100 horse motor in the same car. They just don't suffer the part-throttle inefficiency that an ICE car suffers.
 
It's not so hard to understand why an EV can shift so fast off the line when you realise their electric motors convert up to 90% of electrical energy into motion, compared to an old fashioned gas guzzler that waste most of their energy as heat. Power shifts directly to the wheels without all that faffing about changing gears, too. That tinny little whine doesn't have the same visceral thrill of a gutteral roar, though, but that's a small price to pay for a more efficient method.
 
They don't kick-down. They only have one gear. They allow them because (as yet) the killjoys haven't managed to ban them. The thing is, there's not much downside to having a powerful EV. If you had a 700 horse petrol car, even when you drove it gently, it would be a bloody thirsty car, because it's running at a really low efficiency. Servicing would be very expensive too. With an EV, you can have a ludicrously powerful motor and if you drive it gently, it won't use much more energy than if you put a 100 horse motor in the same car. They just don't suffer the part-throttle inefficiency that an ICE car suffers.
"Kick don" has nothing to do with gears, on many cars (inc EVs) if you fully push down the accelerator it will change the mode to full power, so even if in "ECO" mode kickdown will engage full power .

I would go much further than banning cars of such power, I would actually remove the entitlement to drive of anyone desiring such a vehicle - i don't want to share the road with these morons


Pretty happy with my Beamer on its air suspension. That's on 45 profiles...
what a clever idea remove the air cushioning a proper tyre gives, then have to expensively replace it with a more expensive and complex air suspension built into the vehicles structure. Then more expense trying to reduce the horrible noise of a low profile tyre

But sadly no matter what you do those silly low profile tyres will reduce the EVs range or use more fuel... but they will look good to clowns on facebook who like the look of such things
 
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It's not so hard to understand why an EV can shift so fast off the line when you realise their electric motors convert up to 90% of electrical energy into motion, compared to an old fashioned gas guzzler that waste most of their energy as heat. Power shifts directly to the wheels without all that faffing about changing gears, too. That tinny little whine doesn't have the same visceral thrill of a gutteral roar, though, but that's a small price to pay for a more efficient method.

I can't hear any whine at all, to be honest? It's all either tyre or wind noise. The drive itself is utterly silent on mine? I can programme it to make stupid "spaceship" noises that change in proportion to power output. ("Composed" by Hand Zimmer, no less, I'm told)! They're quite fun in small doses, but most of the time I run it in "Eco" mode, without the spaceship noise, 'cause it's just silly... :LOL:
 
"Kick don" has nothing to do with gears,

Er.... it's exactly to do with gears in auto gearboxes!

"kick-down" originated in the automotive industry during the mid-20th century to describe the mechanism that forces an automatic transmission into a lower gear when the accelerator pedal is pressed all the way to the floor".

Early auto boxes used to have a bowden cable with a bit of slack in it, directly from the throttle linkage to the auto gearbox. When correctly adjusted, for most of the pedal travel, the cable was just slack and didn't do anything. They were set up so that when the driver "kicked" the throttle to the floor, the last half inch or inch of pedal travel took all the slack out of the "kickdown cable" and pulled on a lever on the side of the auto box that forced it into the next gear down (assuming the centrifugal governor allowed it - i.e. it wouldn't cause the engine to over-rev). Modern auto boxes do it too, but by electronic means.
on many cars (inc EVs) if you fully push down the accelerator it will change the mode to full power, so even if in "ECO" mode kickdown will engage full power .

...except it doesn't make one jot of different to the engine's maximum power output! "Sport" mode is a gimmick on most cars. It sharpens the throttle response, but all it's doing, is giving you more of the available power output for less pedal travel. Dead easy to do with software these days, now that pretty much all ICE engines are throttle-by-wire. So if, for argument's sake, your engine is capable of producing 100 horsepower and you have it in normal mode, and (say) 50% throttle gives you 50% of butterfly movement on the engine, sport mode would give you (say) 50% butterfly movement for only 25% pedal travel. It creates the illusion of more power, but your engine's power output remains at 100 horsepower, you just get more of it for less pedal travel. If it were any different, manufacturers would have to quote separate fuel consumption and CO2 figures for "normal" and "sport" mode. My last Peugeot was even naff enough to play a slightly amplified recording of its own asthmatic 4-pot diesel engine over the car's stereo speakers in "sport" mode, to make you think it was more powerful!:ROFLMAO:

I would go much further than banning cars of such power, I would actually remove the entitlement to drive of anyone desiring such a vehicle - i don't want to share the road with these morons

Good job you're not Secretary of State for Transport then!;) Would you go for the full "red flag" policy too?:rolleyes: It partly due to attitudes like these that road safety isn't improving at the rate it should be...

what a clever idea remove the air cushioning a proper tyre gives, then have to expensively replace it with a more expensive and complex air suspension built into the vehicles structure. Then more expense trying to reduce the horrible noise of a low profile tyre

But on the plus side, you do get a car that will actually turn-in rather than just wallow and splurge about on the "blancmange" fitted to each corner! That's a great thing for road safety you know...;) As collision avoidance systems evolve to take over control of steering as well as throttle and brakes, it's advances in tyre technology that will play an important part in avoiding that kid who just ran out from in between the parked cars...

But sadly no matter what you do those silly low profile tyres will reduce the EVs range or use more fuel... but they will look good to clowns on facebook who like the look of such things

If anything, low profile tyres actually waste LESS energy, due to their stiffer sidewalls. What happens, is that they tend to go hand-in-hand with bigger and wider rims, which increases rolling resistance, air resistance and wheel inertia. A low profile tyre of modest overall width is what you ideally need, but as you say, people like the "big bootz" aesthetic. And to be fair, you do, (within reason) get more grip out of a wider tyre - at least in the dry.
 
I can't hear any whine at all, to be honest? It's all either tyre or wind noise. The drive itself is utterly silent on mine? I can programme it to make stupid "spaceship" noises that change in proportion to power output. ("Composed" by Hand Zimmer, no less, I'm told)! They're quite fun in small doses, but most of the time I run it in "Eco" mode, without the spaceship noise, 'cause it's just silly... :LOL:

'Hand' Zimmer?

Any relation to Solo?
 
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