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Good News on Vaccines and Delta Variant

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by jeds, 22 Jul 2021.

  1. jeds

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    Report published in the New England Journal of Medicine yesterday found that Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines are nearly as effective against delta as alpha variant.

    Effectiveness of Covid-19 Vaccines against the B.1.617.2 (Delta) Variant | NEJM

    "Vaccines have been found to be highly efficacious at preventing symptomatic disease, as shown by clinical trials7-9 and real-world evidence."

    "Overall, we found high levels of vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic disease with the delta variant after the receipt of two doses. These estimates were only modestly lower than the estimate of vaccine effectiveness against the alpha variant."

    All good news. Just need to hope the success continues when we are on the upsilon variant.
     
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  3. JP_

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    The more we are vaccinated, the less risk of the upsilon variant ever emerging.

    As somebody who lives in a house with 2 people that tested positive, I can say that the vaccine works - I've done 8 tests in the last week and all negative, which also means I don't have to isolate.

    Test test test. And vaccinate.
    And wear a mask.
    And wash your hands.

    Of course, some people thing doing these things is a violation of their human rights and personal freedoms ... :)
     
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    So if this is the case why is it i saw on the news the other night 40% of covid patients currently in hospital are 'double jabbers'.
     
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    A vaccine might not stop you ending up in hospital but it greatly increases your chances of not dying of it. What’s the percentage of those dying with no underlying symptoms that have been double jabbed?
     
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    As you say,

    Almost two thirds of coronavirus patients in hospital are unvaccinated

    and yet

    more than 46 million people have had a first vaccine dose - almost 90% of the adult population - and more than 36 million - around two-thirds of adults - have had both doses.

    So, of the adult population, the vast majority of the adult population have been vaccinated

    And yet, the majority of people ill enough to need hospital treatment are unvaccinated.

    What conclusion do you draw from this?
     
  7. Bodgedbuild

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    if 100% of the population were vaccinated, 100% of the patients would be double jabbed
     
  8. JP_

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    Because the vaccine is not 100% effective
    Because older people with existing health problems are at greater risk
    Because it is spreading faster because many people are no longer social distancing or wearing masks

    People will still die, including people with vaccines.

    Think of the vaccine as a bullet proof vest. If you are young and fit, and the bullet hits the vest, you will live.
    If you are weak, and you take a bullet in the leg, it might kill you.
     
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    The last time that the case rate was circa 50,000 people per day, the death rate was around 1150, now it is around 50
     
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    Yep, and as said before, statistically, a double vaxxed 70 year old is still more likely to die than an unvaccinated 30 year old.

    We need to protect our elderly population. And the disgusting claims that people who die were going to die soon anyway has already been debunked. People are dying many years, sometimes decades, too soon.
     
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  12. EFLImpudence

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    Like all other causes of death, you mean.

    The average age of infant mortality is very low.
     
  13. Notch7

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    not really.

    society tries to minimise preventable deaths, it’s why we have seat belt rules, or have safety precautions with poisons etc.
     
  14. jeds

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    It's really very simple; the majority of high risk people (the huge majority) are double vaccinated compare to low risk groups, therefore it's inevitable that the majority of people hospitalised will be in the double vaccinated group.
     
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    Well, it is.

    Yet for some it does not prevent death, therefore...

    You seem to be getting very {what's the word} in your old age.
     
  16. Please Sir, is it

    The virus isnt real its all a hoax and face masks are actually about social control and the vaccine contains a mind control chip designed by Bill Gates and causes mass sterilisation?
     
  17. JP_

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    no.
     
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