Government Should Not Handle Brexit
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Doggit
When you play poker or bridge, you don't show the cards you've got, and you bluff the other players that you're holding a stong hand. The EU is guaranteed to offer us a bad deal, and out insitance that we'll walk away simply warns them not to. But if we do walk away, then it's not just us that are Buggered, it's the EU as well, and as they sell more to us than we do to them, it'll hurt them more than it will us. It's not what anyone wants, but if we're not prepared to deal with them on those terms, then they'll treat us with as much disdain as they did Cameron. Not that I think her tried very hard.
Merkels admitted that they want a good deal, but it's than drunk Junkers that's trying to show how tough he is.
You've just displayed a common and fundamental misunderstanding of the trade position there. Yes, they do sell more to us than we do to them, but there is a vital bit of information you're missing, namely that the total sales of EU goods to the UK accounts for about 4.5% of their income. Take away the amount of money they give to us to buy our goods and their net loss would be about 2%. That's the equivalent of someone on a £25k salary having to take a pay cut to £24.5k. It'd be mildly disappointing but nothing more.
Merkel and Juncker aren't the problem either - each of the other 27 member states gets the same vote and veto on the deal, and within those countries a few have regional parliaments who must also agree. Countries within the EU with whom we do not currently trade have absolutely no incentive whatsoever to agree to a good deal with us, but it only takes one of them to say no to the negotiated deal and it doesn't happen. Each and every country has the individual right to insist on terms they want in order to agree the EU's side of the deal, and if they don't get their way they can vote it down and there's no deal.
This is not just about German cars and French cheese, it's also about Lithuanian furniture, Maltese perfume and Slovakian tractors, and about convincing a weird little Belgian regional parliament to agree to a deal without holding it up like it did for several months in the EU's deal with Canada
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What then happens if a 'deal' is agreed with the negotiators, then one country vetoes it?
That is, it is the EU which is delaying the process - past the time limit - no fault of the UK.
That is, it is the EU which is delaying the process - past the time limit - no fault of the UK.
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Article 50 is quite short and simple. It has been pasted into threads here a number of times, or you can download it from the EU website. Observe paragraph 2.
http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/th.../title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html
Article 50 is about resigning from the EU. The effective date of resignation is two years from the date of receipt of the resignation notice, unless otherwise agreed.
It is not about any subsequent agreement that might be reached, so it does not mention time limits for them.
I don't know why the UK government has chosen to spend so long bumbling about instead of starting negotiations.
http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/th.../title-6-final-provisions/137-article-50.html
Article 50 is about resigning from the EU. The effective date of resignation is two years from the date of receipt of the resignation notice, unless otherwise agreed.
It is not about any subsequent agreement that might be reached, so it does not mention time limits for them.
I don't know why the UK government has chosen to spend so long bumbling about instead of starting negotiations.
You are wrong to assume that either side wants a "no deal" or that either side has any hidden cards.
Ok, so does "It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament" mean Latvia can veto the agreement, or not?
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Doggit
Totally correct, but it's the individual sectors that would lose maybe 30% of their income that would make such a stink that it's change each countries minds on the deal they offer. And at the end of the day, even if all they lose is 2%, then the monetary markets, and their own electorate will go against them. It's in everyones interest to reach a deal, and it's just posturing at the minute.
No, but can Latvia prevent the 'deal' for resignation agreed between the UK and The Council being implemented?
Not to my knowledge since the council has already been authorised. Maybe try
"That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union"
The EU announced its acceptance of Theresa's letter shortly after she sent it, and made an announcement about readiness to receive negotiators, so will be on websites somewhere and probably says the status and progress of negotiations (if any)
"That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union"
The EU announced its acceptance of Theresa's letter shortly after she sent it, and made an announcement about readiness to receive negotiators, so will be on websites somewhere and probably says the status and progress of negotiations (if any)
I recognise Buffoon Boris's claim "BMW and Daimler will make Germany insist on free British access to the single market"
However many times this claim is debunked, Theresa can't bring herself to believe it.
Nor Doggit, it seems.
The Brexiteers voted for option 4, though they wouldn't say so.
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Doggit
Never underestimate the power of big business to wag the dogs tail John. I've always said that a deal will be done, and there will be a cost to it. But I could be wrong.
So you think that British business interests will force the UK government to soften their opposition to the free movement of labour, and to the cross-border rights of citizens?
An interesting idea.
Better get started without losing more time.
Here we are, a year after the referendum, with no sign of any negotiations, and Theresa's just taken a couple of months off to waste time on a pointless election campaign.
An interesting idea.
Better get started without losing more time.
Here we are, a year after the referendum, with no sign of any negotiations, and Theresa's just taken a couple of months off to waste time on a pointless election campaign.
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