GPs to get £20 bonus for keeping patients out of hospital

[Notch7]

really in what way ? the staff are already paid same as the GP is already paid regardless of how they spend their day

Good grief.

Please go away and learn about it, this is painful.

 

[denso13]

think long term it will only work really well if gp surgeries build really good systems to do it.

Which also comes out of the £20.

 

[Notch7]

You are completely wrong, but I am interested to know how you reached your belief..............So why do you think an A&G request is simply moving a cursor from one box to another?



Perhaps we should look to see what healthcare professionals think about it................here is a practice manager:

Preparing and submitting a detailed A&G request, reviewing specialist advice, adjusting care plans, and handling associated administration requires considerable effort. I’ve read that the minimum costing for any hospital outpatient appointment starts at £150, which makes the £20 A&G payment somewhat underwhelming. The initial feedback from the GPs here is that it’s laughable, especially given that the BMA has advised practices to stop engaging with A&G pathways as part of its collective action.”


the BMA had this on their collective action list:

"Stop engaging with the e-Referral Advice & Guidance pathway – unless it is a timely and clinically helpful process for you in your professional role."

Why?

A = Dr Katie Bramall-Stainer said the advice to stop A&G as part of collective action was added to the BMA ‘menu’ because it is ‘unresourced workload transfer’. It can ‘lead to lengthy back and forth discussions with further requests for GP actions’.

Practice Managers respond to plans to fund A&G services

Earlier this week, the Government laid out its new ‘elective reform plan’, which aims to cut the list of patients waiting more than 18 weeks for NHS treatment in England. One of the measures that has sparked significant debate amongst Practice Managers is the plan to give doctors £20 each time...

practiceindex.co.uk

BMA may stand down A&G collective action if GPs 'paid fairly'

The BMA's advice for GPs to stop advice and guidance (A&G) may be 'dropped' from collective action options following news of a £20 payment.

www.pulsetoday.co.uk

NHS England » Collective action by GPs: supporting guidance

NHS England » Collective action by GPs: supporting guidance

www.england.nhs.uk

I see gas112 avoids answering when facts are presented as a counter to blind faith and prejudice

 

[gas112]

why did you bother commenting?

You know literally nothing about it.

What a surprise: gas112, Nwgs2, Lirefighter all posting from a position of absolute ignorance.

It’s no surprise they are all Trump, Farage and Brexit fans…..it’s the Venn diagram of people taken in by a few emotive slogans

why did you bother commenting?

You know literally nothing about it.

What a surprise: gas112, Nwgs2, Lirefighter all posting from a position of absolute ignorance.

It’s no surprise they are all Trump, Farage and Brexit fans…..it’s the Venn diagram of people taken in by a few emotive slogans

Notch having to google everything as he has no first hand knowledge where as most nights im sitting speak to the head of admin for a gps practise with over 50, 000 patients getting first hand information of what happens day to day .

 

[Lirefighter]

But where do the savings come from? That's the part that isn't well explained.

I think my reply to his post has explained the folly in his reasoning quite adequately.
He will deny this, of course.

 

[gas112]

I see gas112 avoids answering when facts are presented as a counter to blind faith and prejudice

So we have a practise manager making an excuse to get a bigger slice of the cake now i wonder how profit driven her comments are.
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. The BMA now saying because there is a payment they are now willing to do it ,,,,,yep another profit driven comment

 

[gas112]

Good grief.

Please go away and learn about it, this is painful.

so go on then point out where the comment is wrong.
This should be amusing

 

[denso13]

The BMA now saying because there is a payment they are now willing to do it ,,,,,yep another profit driven comment

No, they want to be paid for the additional work. That's only fair

 

[gas112]

No, they want to be paid for the additional work. That's only fair

So profit driven then for something they have been doing free for a decade

 

[denso13]

So profit driven then

No.

 

[gas112]

No.

so why have they done millions free each year for the past decade

 

[MNW67]

So profit driven then for something they have been doing free for a decade

They need paying if the service is going to expand. Maybe they will need to take on another GP in the practice. I am happy to give it a try and see whether it works.

 

[denso13]

so why have they done millions free each year for the past decade

Less impact which has been growing year on year. The government want to increase the numbers substantially so an incentive is a good thing and only fair

 

[gas112]

Less impact which has been growing year on year. The government want to increase the numbers substantially so an incentive is a good thing and only fair

did i not say that right at the beginning of the thread a nice little earner glad you finally agree

 

[denso13]

It won't cover the work involved, but better than nothing.