Has Britain really still got this grit

[Notch7]

We need a peace deal to re arm, if we carry on we will be pouring billions into Ukraine to help it defend itself whereas the money could be put into our own spending budget.

Letting Putin off the hook now will result in more cost later on.

Now is the best time to pressure Russia as its currently weak. Stopping Russias oil tankers breaking sanctions stresses Russias economy ever more, the banks are running out of money

 

[Highway Man]

Letting Putin off the hook now will result in more cost later on.

Now is the best time to pressure Russia as its currently weak. Stopping Russias oil tankers breaking sanctions stresses Russias economy ever more, the banks are running out of money

Then a peace deal if you want to call it that, I say more of a cease fire but for a longer period than a few weeks. There is a cost implicatiion now, later on we will still have that cost but be less effective if this continues.

 

[Notch7]

I certainly disagree, Trump will not be funding the Ukraine war soon, no more military equipment suplies or money, that falls onto the UK, France and Germany to increase our contribution. We havent got the might of the surplus military equipment like the U.S have.

We can increase contribution....Europe has given more than USA upto now

And Canada, Australia and others are wanting to get involved.

Trympland is isolating itself like a North Korea

 

[Notch7]

Then a peace deal if you want to call it that, I say more of a cease fire but for a longer period than a few weeks. There is a cost implicatiion now, later on we will still have that cost but be less effective if this continues.

It would get great to have a ceasefire, but Putin can't be trusted, he has never honoured any agreement ever, he won't start now.

 

[denso13]

I say more of a cease fire but for a longer period than a few weeks.

Poo Tin says no.

 

[Highway Man]

We can increase contribution....Europe has given more than USA upto now

And Canada, Australia and others are wanting to get involved.

Trympland is isolating itself like a North Korea

Money is not the only object, doesnt matter how much money we have to pour in, we do not have the resources, the military our military need the equipment that takes years to obtain. Each time a tank or plane is lost it is years for it to be replaced. There is no B&Q for military equipment in Tanks and planes, they have to be ordered and this is not a quick supply chain.

 

[Highway Man]

Poo Tin says no.

yes because he knows full well we need it.

 

[Highway Man]

It would get great to have a ceasefire, but Putin can't be trusted, he has never honoured any agreement ever, he won't start now.

Nobody is saying that he can be trusted, I am saying we will 100% be at war with him within 10 years from now, he won't stop at Ukraine he will go on. But not right now. We need to up our spending and get NATO into a position to stop him. As it stands right now a war between NATO and Russia is very evenly spaced. It is a toss up who would be in a better position.

 

[fillyboy]

I estimate we will be at war with Russia within the next 10 years. We need a peace deal now to re arm and get NATO war ready too. We need to increase our military spending to get into a good fighting force in the next 5 years which it will take since military spending was cut over the same period.

I'm not totally convinced. The US talks with Russia in Saudi extended beyond Ukraine, I read that Russia agreed with the US on Iran not being nuclear was a sound idea, maybe the talks involved attitudes to China, who knows, we don't.
What we do know is the world order is changing and Russia is going to be a very difficult enemy to defeat, militarily to defeat them would be impossible without unclear escalation, NATO?, Russia hasn't invaded a NATO country, the 'coalition' of the willing? yeah right.

Russia is on it's knees because of sanctions but we heard the same a few years back, Putins ill and going to die soon, we heard that a few years ago.
Germany and Northern Europe are on their knees because they're no longer getting cheap Russian gas.
Get a ceasefire, get a peace deal. Let Putin have the bits of Ukraine he wants and turn on the gas pipeline to Germany, ease other sanctions and insist on a defensive heavily armed border and move on.

It's not a war we're going to win, if were even at war in the first place. which we're not.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Your hero Trump is certainly sitting down and having a nice cuppa with his bestie Vlad....who is one the worst global bullies.

Teump is a weak wokie

Where are you headed today on the Woke Express?

Choo Chooooo ...

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Nobody is saying that he can be trusted, I am saying we will 100% be at war with him within 10 years from now, he won't stop at Ukraine he will go on. But not right now. We need to up our spending and get NATO into a position to stop him. As it stands right now a war between NATO and Russia is very evenly spaced. It is a toss up who would be in a better position.

We took our foot off the gas (EU/UK) in terms of defence spending. Right or wrong, love or loathe him and his actions, Trump has given us the wake up call we needed.

It will now be interesting to see how much we actually see all this through over the coming years i.e. the increase in spending and bolstering our defence strategy in general. Or as the months and years roll by will complacency set back in.

The wokies don't want us to spend on defence, they want us all to cuddle and sing peace songs together.

Nice thought perhaps

However not the reality. We need to tool up and be ready to go.

 

[denso13]

The wokies don't want us to spend on defence

You do talk some rubbish at times. Who has ever argued for no defence spending?

 

[Mottie]

I could be wrong, however our youth would maybe surprise us. Yes it's a different generation and many of them have a different world outlook. But if push literally came to shove, I reckon a fair few of them would step up if need be.

It'd be like a game of Call of Duty for them but don't let them know that when they are dead, they are dead and they can’t just push the reset button.,

 

[MNW67]

Because he knows if things carry on the way it is at the moment, in order for Ukraine to win then it will involve putting troops on the ground and fighting a bloody war. The way things are going at the moment it is simply costing a lot of lives and money on both sides with no real winners emerging.

If NATO, inc. USA, provided overwhelming air power, and fully armed Ukraine, I believe that Ukraine would quickly win a conventional war, without NATO needing to provide troops.

 

[Highway Man]

If NATO, inc. USA, provided overwhelming air power, and fully armed Ukraine, I believe that Ukraine would quickly win a conventional war, without NATO needing to provide troops.

We have air superiority, and Naval superiority, but in a ground war which is where air strikes are the reason for the ground trroops to go in it would be a very bloody battle. Russia would have the edge here.